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The Invunche
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#51 Post by The Invunche »

We just need a common object for our hate.

I propose Harry Knowles. Here he is talking about the M Night Shitsandwich script:
The difference was - I can feel the James Newton Howard score, the gorgeous cinematography - and the nuanced performances that M Night will get out of his actors for this script.

You seemed to read this script without THINKING about the 'reality' it would be to be in this situation. The fear. It's the end of the world - and there isn't really anything you can do about it. Think about how M Night uses his camera to create ATMOSPHERE... To feel tension at seemingly passive scenery is the entire point. It's about fearing what you can't see. There's something in the air, something that turns on seemingly arbitrarily. This is about the world of man ending. About the hedges trimming the folks with the hedgecutters. And at the end of the story is that it? It's a fantastic story. And that it is being made as a hard R - is exactly the right way to go.
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domino harvey
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#52 Post by domino harvey »

But Harry Knowles makes no beef about his ignorance regarding art house cinema, it seems like hardly worth the effort. Someone like Alex Jackson wants to dip his toes in both pools and fails twice.
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The Invunche
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#53 Post by The Invunche »

But he has red hair!
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domino harvey
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#54 Post by domino harvey »

Well, I mean I'm all for drowning him if that's what you meant
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#55 Post by scalesojustice »

HerrSchreck wrote:As an afterthought I'd ask everybody to remember how extremely agonizing it is for artists of any field to have their life's work torn to pieces by critics. (No critic should ever really complain, as they hold jobs that in reality nobody should really get to have-- in my humble opinion it should be a rotating public job like jury duty. We're all just fans: what is a critic but a "professional fan"?) Imagine having smart asses around the world sitting behind PC's in their dens publicly tearing apart the work you do in your 9-5 job, searching out private tidbits about you, laughing at your failures and rubbing it in with smug sarcasm & gymnastic linguistic usages designed to make you and your life's work sound as pathetic & laughable as possible. I recall the documentary on my 25th anniversary edition vhs of MIDNIGHT COWBOY, where John Schlesinger recounts how "I wiped my bottom with the review from..." (I can't remember for certain as I haven't pulled it out in a while but I believe the review was from the Village Voice.)
i've been thinking about this since i read it yesterday, and i half agree and half strongly disagree. HerrShreck, do you really believe that there is no justification for the profession of "critic" and that it should be a publically rotated job? have you read the Hilarious Amazon Review thread?

but in all seriousness, but i agree that a job where an individual rips apart the work of an artist is absurd. perhaps it's my fledgling pipe dream, but a revolving door of public opinion is also absurd. The problem is the definition of a "critic" today. in the internet world where anyone can buy a domain name and declare themselves a "critic," the days of actual criticism have disappeared and the word is now synonymous with mostly unsupported remarks about a film/movie.

In my own writings, i try to elevate the thought of movies and hopefully impress upon my readers that it is an important art, not just a 2-hour escape vehicle. however, with a high-brow approach, i'm bound to put off some readers, so the real challenge is keeping the tone very readable, while discussing complicated cinematic techniques.

The major problem is that the skill of writing is what is forgotten. while the majority of people can read and write, that hardly makes them writers. criticism has turned into someone's blog where they sit down and ramble, either positively or negatively, about a movie and at the end we are left with nothing of substance, other than if this individual liked or disliked the movie.

i would say what we need is more "professional fans." fans who make it their job to study and write about film. fans that take it seriously and watch anything and everything in a continuing quest of film knowledge. Fans that can teach us something. What we need less of is loudmouth "fan boys" with a computer passing themselves off as critics. actual citicism is as rare today as artistic films, it's shame that the profession has dwindled down to bashing or D. S'ing.
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a.khan
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#56 Post by a.khan »

Some good points there, scalesojustice. As someone who's been writing about films (in a totally amateur capacity) I've come to truly appreciate the practice of film criticism. After 5 years, there's so much more to learn; especially in how to verbalise an opinion into something that reaches beyond the margin of observation. With the increased knowledge of film history and cinematic technique, to not allow myself to starting talking out of my ass has been a recent achievement I accept with great pride.

And then I read stuff from fellow members/mere mortals like davidhare, Michael Kerpan, zedz, Antoine Doinel and Michaelb... any secret illusions of grandeur dissolve, as I begin to experience that thing called humility.

P.S. On Knowles, here's a confession: I was 18 or so when I got my internet connection. AICN was my homepage for about 6 months (it took me a while to wise up, but luckily it finally happened), and I really did value Harry's contribution back in the day.
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