Payback: The Director's Cut

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Fletch F. Fletch
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#1 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

Huge, HUGE improvement over the original. I always felt that this film had a strong first 2/3rds and then everything went to hell. But this new version restores Brian Helgeland's original cut.

Now, the '60s and '70s Don Siegel-esque vibe is much more pronounced, gone is the hackneyed voiceover, also gone is Kris Kristofferson and the whole last third of the movie (including the prerequisite Mel Gibson torture scene) that Gibson wrote and directed himself. Helgeland's new ending is much more fitting and consistent with the rest of the movie and I like how he leaves it on a semi-ambiguous note.

The extras are also very well done. On Helgeland's commentary, he explains that he could never change the ending of his movie because it was always intended to be an homage to the ending of Cool Hand Luke. He also talks about and defends the decisions he made in the film and points out what is new in this cut of the film.

There is also a good featurette examining how they put the Director's Cut together. A little dirt is dished about why the studio didn't like Helgeland's version (they were expecting another Lethal Weapon type film :roll: ). Gibson went along with the studio but Helgeland refused and was fired by the studio who then let Gibson write and direct his own ending! Surprisingly, there is no hint of bitterness with Helgeland (I guess he doesn't want to burn any bridges) and he is probably just grateful that Gibson persuaded the studio to allow him to restore his original cut.

There is also a conversation with Donald Westlake. The highlight for me is when he started talking about the film version of his Parker books and he didn't really seem to care for Lee Marvin's portrayal while citing The Outfit and Robert Duvall as the actor who came the closest to portraying Parker from the novels.
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#2 Post by lord_clyde »

Awesome, I will definitely be picking this up. I also heard that the colors are much warmer in this version, and I always kind of liked the cool blue look of the theatrical release (hell, I even liked the theatrical release, weak ending and all).
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#3 Post by a.khan »

lord_clyde wrote:I also heard that the colors are much warmer in this version, and I always kind of liked the cool blue look of the theatrical release (hell, I even liked the theatrical release, weak ending and all).
Seconded. And about what you heard:

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Screenshots are from DVDTalk's review.
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#4 Post by bjeggert82 »

I rented the director's cut from Netflix, and I just didn't think it worked well--certainly not better than the original version (which also had problems).

**Spoilers**

The new version ended abruptly and didn't have a sense of closure. What's more, it was like 85 min long, so when it ended I was thinking "that's it?" In this new version it didn't seem hard enough for Porter to get his money back. He shoots a few people, he gets his money, he dies, the end. While I like the cynical ending, it seemed like this movie finished without giving us a third act.
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#5 Post by lord_clyde »

Bought it, watched it, liked it. Warmer color tones worked pretty well, actually, and the new (original) material felt right at home.

Still like the theatrical cut though, and will hold on to my copy. Maybe I'll show them as an educational double feature to my film group next week, if only because I don't want to subject anybody to the Love Conquers All version of Brazil.
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#6 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

bjeggert82 wrote:**Spoilers**

The new version ended abruptly and didn't have a sense of closure.
That was kinda the point, I felt. This ending feels much more consistent in tone with the rest of the movie and leaves an empty feeling as if to say what was it all for? He got his money but he's probably going to die.
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#7 Post by pemmican »

Fascinating to hear that Westlake preferred Duvall to Marvin. I think THE OUTFIT is truer in tone to the books, but Marvin is much more attractive a lead... PARKER novels are an old guilty pleasure of mine, but casting him seems problematic indeed - no one does him quite right, and some (Peter Coyote) do him totally wrong. Tho' I admit, I'm reading one of the newer ones and thinking, hmmm, George Clooney...

Anyone see THE SPLIT with Jim Brown, I assume, in the role? Quite a cast, but it's not one I've caught:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063636/

Excited to see the director's cut of PAYBACK, didn't realize what it was until recently. Do they still have Liu in leather, and all that silly shit? I hope not.

P.
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