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exte · #51 Post by **exte** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:00 am

27MB per second! Have you guys heard about the new red camera?!

http://www.red.com/technology.shtml

Cinesimilitude · #52 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:16 am

I've been watching it's development. pretty insane resolution. The lense alone is ridiculously expensive, I think we may start seeing this be used in medium budget (5-10 million) pictures. I doubt anyone with the ability to shoot 35mm, or young filmmakers on a shoestring budget, will take a serious look at it. The technology out there that allows 1080p video for under 4000$ is satisfactory for now.

That said, with the current state of the box office, we may see budgets being lowered on all fronts with major studios. A digital option like this may look very good to a major director, especially those with poor box office status.

exte · #53 Post by **exte** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:57 am

You can slap a nikon lense on there with an adapter. and it takes standard 35mm lenses of all kinds. And for 4K resolution at 17.5K, I think a lot of people would look into it. They shot Apocalypto on a 1080p camera, and this does 4K natively. I wish I was there now at NAB in Nevada so I could see Peter Jackson's short film and how it looks...

Oedipax · #54 Post by **Oedipax** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:08 am

The Jackson short will be up on Red's site after NAB, but unfortunately there might be a slight lag that wasn't planned - apparently there's a problem with the music rights to something he used and he'll need to rescore it. But hopefully that all gets sorted out quickly. Or they just release it without sound. I wouldn't mind, as long as I can see it soon.

And as far as using 35mm still lenses on the Red, it's a totally viable option. The tests I've seen posted over on the reduser forums indicate that Nikon glass is the way to go.

Also exciting, though only vaguely announced at this point, is that Red plans on making a smaller "pocket" camera. It's all speculation at this point, but if Red wanted to compete with the likes of Panasonic's HVX200 and Canon's XH-A1, they could dominate the market I think.

chaddoli · #55 Post by **chaddoli** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:36 am

Trailer for my film:

http://www.last-pictures.com/media/ultr ... railer.mov

Ultra-Violence (Chadd Harbold)

exte · #56 Post by **exte** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:46 am

Article on the Red camera by FXGuide: http://www.fxguide.com/article420.html
Podcast: http://www.fxguide.com/modules/fxpodcas ... AB_two.mp3

By the way, would they use these 4K cameras now for special broadcasts like the Superbowl or the Oscars, instead of 1080i? I would, budget permitting...

FINALLY - I saw this on reddit, and I have to ask what you all think. It's a video by Sir Ken Robinson and he asks, "Do schools kill creativity?" I'm interested to hear what you all think, and if you want to detail any of the struggles you may have had with your family in wanting to pursue a career in filmmaking... http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/66

Oedipax · #57 Post by **Oedipax** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:17 am

exte wrote:Article on the Red camera by FXGuide
http://www.fxguide.com/article420.html

Podcast
http://www.fxguide.com/modules/fxpodcas ... AB_two.mp3

By the way, would they use these 4K cameras now for special broadcasts like the Superbowl or the Oscars, instead of 1080i? I would, budget permitting...

Thanks for the link! Emery Wells also appears on and off on a podcast called This Week in Media which, among other things, covers stuff like the Red camera and other emerging technology. He's sort of the notorious "Red fanboy" on the crew, a position I'm very sympathetic with.

As for 4k for live broadcasts, I really doubt we'll see that anytime soon. 4k is attractive for film-outs and digital projection, but I think it would cause too many workflow problems in a time critical live envioronment.

Cinesimilitude · #58 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:49 am

chaddoli wrote:Trailer for my film:

http://www.last-pictures.com/media/ultr ... railer.mov

Ultra-Violence (Chadd Harbold)

interesting, could you give us a synopsis? I assume there will be some sort of homage to clockwork orange's structure or style. What more can you tell us? and how might we see it when finished? will it be downloadable in it's entirety, just as "The Writer's Block" is?

chaddoli · #59 Post by **chaddoli** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:22 pm

SncDthMnky wrote:
chaddoli wrote:Trailer for my film:

http://www.last-pictures.com/media/ultr ... railer.mov

Ultra-Violence (Chadd Harbold)
interesting, could you give us a synopsis? I assume there will be some sort of homage to clockwork orange's structure or style. What more can you tell us? and how might we see it when finished? will it be downloadable in it's entirety, just as "The Writer's Block" is?

It's just about a relationship.

Kubrick informs the male character more than the actual film.

No, it won't be fully downloadable because the amount of compression required means less-than-adaquate quality. It is finished now, for people that care enough to actually watch it, I've been mailing DVDs. Perhaps I could put it online to make things easier, but I shot it on HD so it would look good and don't want to sacrifice the quality.

My editor wrote, directed, edited and starred in The Writer's Block, while I DP'd it. Check it out if you enjoy Jarmusch or Bujalski or Allen-type comedy/dramas.

Ultra-Violence I wrote, directed and DP'd.

Cinetwist · #60 Post by **Cinetwist** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:15 am

Does anyone know anything about super 8? I'm hopefully going travelling in the summer and want to film snippets and I don't want to use digital. The prices on ebay are reasonable and I can still get film/developing easy.

Can anyone recommend any OK, compact cameras? I don't really need sound or much filming time. Are there any features I should look out for?

miless · #61 Post by **miless** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:42 pm

Cinetwist wrote:Does anyone know anything about super 8? I'm hopefully going travelling in the summer and want to film snippets and I don't want to use digital. The prices on ebay are reasonable and I can still get film/developing easy.

Can anyone recommend any OK, compact cameras? I don't really need sound or much filming time. Are there any features I should look out for?

both Minolta and Canon made good super-8 cameras (that are sometimes easier to find, and cheaper, than many of the higher-quality ones loaded with every feature)... as far as features to look out for, it's all what you want it for. I would say go for an intervelometer (for time-lapse, even if you don't use it now, it's just good to have), variable speed (generally it's 18 fps, but some can do 24 fps... or even do minor slow-mo) and a macro setting (close-ups). All of those settings are fairly standard... but if you just want one for "normal" shooting, I'd say just get the features that excite you (and, as a plus, the fewer the features, the cheaper the camera... generally)

chaddoli · #62 Post by **chaddoli** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:31 pm

My production company's website has been fully updated. Check it out if you get a chance.

www.last-pictures.com

vogler · #63 Post by **vogler** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:53 pm

I make, for want of a better word, experimental/avant-garde 16mm films using a Bolex SBM camera. Unfortunately I don't have any work on video at the moment. I'm getting the money together for telecine at the moment. I've done most of the authoring for a DVD of my films but it currently lacks the most important element - the films. Hopefully I'll get the transfers done soon.

I am wondering if anyone would be able to help me with a technical problem. I shoot at 18fps for aesthetic reasons - I do a lot of single frame shooting and I much prefer the tempo of 18 fps to 24 which is too frantic for my liking. The problem is that PAL video is 25 fps and NTSC either 30 or 24(ish) with pulldown. Large sections of my films are based on very specific visual rhythms - for example: 2 frames light - 2 frames dark - 3 frames light - 3 frames dark. Due to the framerate conversion I don't know of a way to successfully encode these rhythms to either PAL or NTSC video without completely altering them e.g. a simple flicker/strobe with alternate black and white frames as follows - WHITE/BLACK/WHITE/BLACK/WHITE/BLACK becomes something more like WHITE/BLACK/WHITE/WHITE/BLACK/WHITE/BLACK/BLACK. The only solution I have come up with is to use 30fps NTSC and encode the strictly rhythmical parts of my films at 15fps - this would result in 2 frames of digital video for every 1 film frame, and an exact replica of the original rhythm, only slightly slower.

Is anyone able to help? I'd be very grateful for any advice.

exte · #64 Post by **exte** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:00 am

Has anyone ever been to an artist colony before? Seriously...

Oedipax · #65 Post by **Oedipax** » Wed May 09, 2007 3:23 am

vogler wrote:Post deleted due to utter gibberish.

Was this the question about representing 18fps films properly in 29.97fps NTSC? It definitely wasn't gibberish, I just don't have any real experience authoring that kind of material... Ask around though (likely on a different forum), I'm sure someone might know. Maybe try the Frameworks experimental film listserv.

vogler · #66 Post by **vogler** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:15 pm

Oedipax wrote:
vogler wrote:Post deleted due to utter gibberish.
Was this the question about representing 18fps films properly in 29.97fps NTSC? It definitely wasn't gibberish, I just don't have any real experience authoring that kind of material... Ask around though (likely on a different forum), I'm sure someone might know. Maybe try the Frameworks experimental film listserv.

Thanks for the reply to my non-existent post. I re-read my question and decided that it was very badly written. I knew what I was trying to say but I didn't express it too well. I just put the post back though - who knows, someone might come up with an answer. I have asked around in quite a few places, including amongst those with a great amount of knowledge of encoding/authoring and nobody has yet come up with a way of accurately rendering the rhythms contained in 18 fps films in either PAL or NTSC. I think in actual fact it may not be possible. I will definitely try Frameworks though. I'm now considering the DVD that I am producing to be a different video version of the work, as close as I can get to the original films but with the understanding that it can never quite capture the original intentions.

It amazes me that in this age of high technology we still have no home video format that can play video at whatever frame rate that's required. For example I can view 18fps video files on my computer perfectly but DVDs must be 25 or 29.97fps. It seems that an AVI type format would be a much better substitute for MPEG2. AVI is much more efficient and much better quality.

planetjake · #67 Post by **planetjake** » Wed May 16, 2007 3:10 am

I work with Mini-DV only. I've completed a number of shorter pieces with a few longer works sprinkled in. I am currently working on an extensive study of the figurative potential that occurs in the English alphabet... But for now, this lone work will have to do. It's entitled (sara 2)

Keith Kawaii · #68 Post by **Keith Kawaii** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:00 pm

Man... I really want to make some films. But I don't have money, hah.

I saw someone else posted about scoring, and I'm a musician too. Really... I would LOVE to put music to anything. Please contact me. Its slightly lame, but this is my myspace.

I can do rock, ambience, 'classical', whatchu need?

Also, I'm in a band who just released a record (we will do soundtracks too

Herman Witkam · #69 Post by **Herman Witkam** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:02 pm

exte wrote:27MB per second! Have you guys heard about the new red camera?!

http://www.red.com/technology.shtml

Some of the directors I work with can't stop raving about it

Most of them are now using an HVX or DVX, or the Canon equivalent.

teddyleevin · #70 Post by **teddyleevin** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:45 am

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2776612501

I wrote the screenplay, directed, edited, and starred. There's a lot of "bad" bits in it. They are a result of the other members of my theater arts class. They don't really know anything about making movies. And also, the whole class had to be in it. So the cast is bloated with unnessecary characters.

Enjoy.

miless · #71 Post by **miless** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:46 pm

I'm so excited as I just received my very own 16mm camera in the mail on monday... and today just got the lenses and light meter.
(it's an Arri 16S/B with 8mm Zeiss 16mm Schneider lenses)
I'm going to start shooting a series of one-shot short films (one moving camera for about 7-10 minutes each).
I'm starting as soon as possible.
Because I know you all care.

teddyleevin · #72 Post by **teddyleevin** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:17 am

The old link for "True Colors" didn't work, so here's the new one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2776612501

Here's Big Kills In Little Italy (i didnt direct this one)

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 1907332048

Cinesimilitude · #73 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:34 am

miless wrote:I'm so excited as I just received my very own 16mm camera in the mail on monday... and today just got the lenses and light meter.
(it's an Arri 16S/B with 8mm Zeiss 16mm Schneider lenses)
I'm going to start shooting a series of one-shot short films (one moving camera for about 7-10 minutes each).
I'm starting as soon as possible.
Because I know you all care.

7-10 minute single shot films? will they be narrative or just experimental? I honestly am excited to see what you come up with.

miless · #74 Post by **miless** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:02 pm

SncDthMnky wrote: 7-10 minute single shot films? will they be narrative or just experimental? I honestly am excited to see what you come up with.

they will be narrative (well, to a degree)

the first I will be shooting is of some kids egging a car, only to have disastrous results. (this one is the most technically involved, as well, which will require a hand-held to car mounted moment as we switch focus from the children to the adult)

the second will be that of a man showing up in the middle of the night at his friends front door, soaking wet... it will only portray the moment before explanation (as his friend makes him coffee and they sit in silence... for something shameful must have occured), cutting off the man in the middle of his first word.

The third is of a lonely individual who enters a cafe, trying to get the attention of a woman, but failing... miserably. He then receives a dirty coffee cup (lipstick on the rim) which releives him of his lonliness.

the fourth (which is actually just the first episode of a much longer piece) is of a fat man, slowly getting drunk (Satantango?) when his light-bulb surges and goes out. he replaces the bulb and continues drinking. he wakes up to have the new light-bulb surge, and going to replace it again slips and falls, hitting his head on the counter and (possibly) dying.

exte · #75 Post by **exte** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:39 am

I uploaded a very clean version of my film to youtube. You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRGZ-zG19eI

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