Selected comments from the "Old Board" (I was only able to retrieve cached copies of pages 1,2, and 4 out of 5 total):
RushmoreYankee68 wrote:
why why why why is this film so great? I don't understand this. Explain why this film is so great.
wendersfan wrote:POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD.
Why why why?
For me, the thing that makes this film so great is how well it illustrates how humans construct the social artifices and codes of behavior that prevent us from acting in a way that makes any kind of rational sense at all. You have to act a certain way because to do otherwise "isn't done". You have to be phony to your friends and enemies because to be genuine is the worst social disgrace possible.
Throughout the film, everybody follows these "rules". By following the rules, nobody ends up happy, and some people end up dead. But what makes the film truly great is that Renoir shows us how foolish and fake we all are, and loves us just the same. The crucial point is when character tells another that "everybody has their reasons."
FilmFanSea wrote:I think it also works on a number of different levels. It can be seen as a knockabout farce about the vanity of the idle rich; or, as a comedy of manners and the blind observance of the social contract; or, as an allegory about cowardice in the face of fascism, and the inevitability of the European War.
The Rules of the Game is a deceptively straightforward film on its surface, with a complex masterpiece hidden beneath. Like most masterpieces, it improves with subsequent viewings.
kevyip1 wrote:It's a great depiction of the deceitful, belligerent, and hypocritical nature of people. Throughout the film we see lies being told, infidelities being committed, and a few lives being taken (most memorably in the hunting scene). The film's ending is, again, where lies, deceit, and death resurface, which is sad and absurd at the same time.
The film is also innovative technically. It uses a lot of deep-focus photography and overlapping dialogs (not unlike Citizen Kane that was made two years later).
The Peter Bogdanovich commentary on the laserdisc version is apparently going to be duplicated on the DVD.
wendersfan wrote:I got it yesterday, too. It's a fantastic release, absolutely top notch. I think this is the best Criterion release EVER for a single film. However, I think I prefer the subtitles of the French R2 release, but, all in all, that's a minor quibble. I never thought I'd see the movie look this good. Criterion should be proud.
kschell wrote:Some films are obviously great works of art, but not much fun to watch (think "Cries and Whispers"). "Rules of the Game" however is both enormously entertaining and a consumate work of art.
The print looks better than I've ever seen it. Even better, this is a perfect film to own on DVD... each time you watch it, you notice new things. A consumate work of art. As good a print as you'll ever see. Generous but more importantly intelligent and insightful extras.
First-rate in every department!
kevyip1 wrote:I saw the film on the 1989 Criterion laserdisc a few times. Needless to say, the DVD has much better video quality than the LD. Both the audio commentary and the jacket essay by Alexander Sesonske were carried over from the LD to the DVD. The opening credits on the DVD are all in French, while on the LD they are partly in English (such as the dedication to André Bazin). The subtitles were significantly rewritten compared to the LD. In the quote from The Marriage of Figaro during the opening credits, "Is it not to fly?" becomes "Was it not to flitter?"
This is a dialog-heavy film. But the meticulous details of the numerous character portrayals are impressive. For instance, even the minor character of Berthelin (uncredited in the film) is given a meaningful presence. He is the one who puts on the skeleton costume in the "Danse Macabre" sequence. He is the one who gives the telescope to Christine, while lecturing her about its wonderful abilities (an advocate of science, like André Jurieux?). His telescope, of course, will later lead to unpleasantness. And he is the one who blows the trumpet during the night. His trumpet sound can be heard in the background in many scenes, amidst all the farce and/or tragedy. Surely Renoir wanted to use this character to make a certain point...
wendersfan wrote:I've got to tell you, I'm not so crazy about the commentary. Bogdanovich just sounds so rushed, because he's got to say all that stuff so fast. Also, all that blathering on about matched pairs or whatever starts to get really confusing and annoying after a while. I've seen this move dozens of times now, and the whole thing started to baffle me last night. Maybe Criterion should have done one of those diagram things like John Madden used to do when explaining football tactics.
Still I'm learning stuff from the commentary, so it's not a waste of time, I just wish it were better. But I probably wouldn't be happy with less than two or three commentary tracks.
Andre Jurieux wrote:Just want to point out that Bogdanovich isn't giving the viewer his own ideas or comments on this commentary track, he's reading an essay written by Alexander Sesonske that is time synchronized to the film. That's part of the reason he's rushing through parts of the commentary. He has to get through specific paragraphs of the essay in order to synchronize with the images on screen. I don't know if that's what Wenders does on the Fassbinder DVD, so I can't comment on the comparison or whether director's are the wrong people to read the commentary of others. As for the comments about matched pairs, I thought it was well done, but I could see how others find it confusing, boring, etc. I personally enjoy these audio essays and Rules and 8 1/2 are among my favorite commentary tracks.
Doctor Sunshine wrote:This has got to be Criterion's classiest presentation to date. I have some qualms about the package too (the plastic cover could have extended to the top to keep dust out) but it just looks so nice; elegant but not too practical--fits the film to a T. And the extras are fantastic. I anticipate the next 3 parts of those programs nearly as much as I do the next Renoirs. The video comparison totally supplants any need to seek out the short version of the film. Say what you will about the commentary but a technical-minded commentary was what this movie needed and that it was so thorough is a boon, fer chrissake. And comments from people in the biz, critics and historians are always fun. Not even mentioning the actual film, davebert's spot on, they've set the bar mighty high this year. Ikiru was the nicest Kurosawa release but this has to be one of the nicest in all Criteriondom.
migrave wrote:I finally received my pre-ordered copy tesyerday. This has got to be the classiest presentation of a film that I have ever seen. To my modest senses, the audio-visual quality of the film itself is perfect. The packaging is simply stunning. I enjoyed all of the essays found in the booklet. I thought they all had something different and insightful to bring to the table. I loved the little comment about Henri Cartier-Bresson being an amateur and was also surprised to learn that he was an assistant director on the film. His own recollection about what it was like to work for Renoir is also included and is a must-read. Also keep an eye out in the booklet for a copy of Truffaut's hand-written letter to Renoir when these two had not yet met.
The filmed introduction by Renoir is, not surprisingly from such an insightful man, perfect. He covers the troubled history of the picture and explains his personal preoccupations and ambitions for making it.
I could go on about every element of this classroom-in-a-box but I would run out of superlatives. I cannot think of anything missing. This is one of the best 30 bucks I have ever spent in my life.
Seeing this great work for the first time, I must admit that despite my original reservations, all the praises I had heard are true. I'm not surprised that some guy tried to set the theater on fire when it was first shown in Nazi (funny how that rhymes with Vichy) Paris. This is a relevant and ageless film.
After my recent deception with the image quality of Ikiru and the unexplainable feeling that Journal d'un Curé de Campagne could have been an even more 'special' edition, this dvd is the best presentation of a film I have ever experienced. Simply mind-altering.
Monsieur Godot wrote:migrave,
Welcome to the forum. So glad you enjoyed Rules of the Game, one of my favorite films. When I first saw it in a film class in college, I was so thrilled by the reflexivity that I felt like my hair was on fire at the end. I was looking around at my fellow students, thinking, "Who can I talk to about this great film?" That's what this forum is all about.
By the way, my enthusiasm was crushed by the two dolts in front of me, who mumbled this exchange as they stood and stretched:
Dolt #1: "That was the stupidest movies I've ever seen."
Dolt #2: "I wouldn't know, I fell asleep."
Also by the way,
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I'm not surprised that some guy tried to set the theater on fire when it was first shown in Nazi (funny how that rhymes with Vichy) Paris.
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is not historically accurate. The film debuted in Paris on July 8, 1939; Germany invaded France on May 10, 1940. It was free French crowds, not those under Vichy control, that revolted. As I'm sure you gleaned from the essays, commentary, and extras, the reason the film infuriated crowds was that Renoir was attacking French classes (upper, Bourgeois, and working) for their laissez-faire attitude while dark storm clouds gathered across their border; the French symbolic hero (an aviator) whom we first meet to throngs of adoring fans is foolishly and slavishly sniffing after the skirt of his upper-class mistress, and is ultimately punished for it (albeit, by accident); after the clear anti-war sentiment of Grand Illusion (though, perhaps, not so clearly understood anti-caste message), crowds were baffled by this "upstairs/downstairs" nonsense, full of dithering nabobs who pave the road to ruin with their classy "reasons". Lots of people in many nations (including my own) had "reasons" then to avoid confrontation with the Nazis, hoping the road would lead to peace rather than death.
peerpee wrote:I finally sank into this set last night and I'm speechless. This is the "best package in all Criteriondom" for me.
The side by side comparison of the short and long versions couldn't have been done any better (and it must've taken a while to do, split screen, fastforwarding, etc.) - brilliantly thought out and executed.
The introduction to the film by Jean Renoir was a *magnificent* find/inclusion.
"Jean Renoir, le patron: La Règle et l’exception" (1966), by Rivette, was "riveting". Loved his conversation on the steps of the chateau.
Don't know how I missed the 1993 BBC documentary by David Thompson first time round, but this was the crown on the set for me. Brilliantly made docu with contributions from Malle, Chabrol, Bertolucci, and Renoir family members... lotsa ace clips from BOUDU and PARTIE, etc.
Not forgetting the amazing work of Jean Gaborit and Jacques Durand who discuss their reconstruction and re-release of the film in a fantastic interview from the late 50s (I presume). This release wouldn't have been possible without their mad love.
I was floored, and I've still got the commentary to go. The picture looked remarkably better than I'd ever seen it before. The new BBC print that was shown last year with new subtitles was about 5 times worse looking.
Donald Brown wrote:The disappointment expressed here over the commentary is surprising, as I think it's one of the strongest, most engaging, most informative I've come across. Sesonske hits the mark with every point he makes and clearly understands the film better than nearly anyone. There's no psycho-babble, no reading into the film things that aren't there. I also enjoy Bogdanovich's reading of it; his pacing and tone are just right.
It's an insightful and scholarly commentary that can be understood and appreciated by everyone, first-time and seasoned viewers alike.