The Man From London (Bela Tarr, 2007)

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#26 Post by miless »

Macintosh wrote:Any news as to when this can be expected to be released in New York?
It has no US distributor, as of yet... and it did play at NYFF

it's really too bad, especially since I've read a lot of recent reviews defending this title from the barrage of bad press it received... I really love just getting hypnotized by Tarr's worlds and movements.
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#27 Post by Macintosh »

miless wrote:it's really too bad, especially since I've read a lot of recent reviews defending this title from the barrage of bad press it received... I really love just getting hypnotized by Tarr's worlds and movements.
Same here. There are two kinds of people: those who view cinema as a diversion and those who view cinema as a meditation. Tarr's films are the crème de la crème for people in the latter.
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#28 Post by chaddoli »

The bad press is really undeserved. Since this film doesn't happen to be a staggering masterpiece like Tarr's last two features, film critics have all but written it off. And again, small distributors are becoming even less interested in difficult foreign works, instead buying up shitty American indies or unremarkable documentaries.
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#29 Post by ptmd »

The bad press is really undeserved.
I wholeheartedly agree. A lot of people thought that it was an exercise in "applied style" but, while there were a couple of scenes that felt a bit like reunions for the cast of Satantango, I felt that Tarr was pushing his aesthetic in new directions, particularly with respect to sound design and narration. The use of Simenon was brilliant and I loved the way that Tarr went back before noir to the world of Carne/Prevert films like Quai des Brumes, reworking not only their atmosphere but their approach to knowledge. In fact, the film struck me as a supremely intelligent meditation on the process of narration. As you watch that stunning opening shot, it becomes clear that it is both a concrete result of the camera being planted behind the ropes mooring the ship and a reflection on the nature of cinematic perception (via. the angularity of the ship, the chiaroscuro that seems to split it in two, and the simulation of "flicker" as the ropes pass), as well as a potent narrative symbol that can't be reduced to a single obvious meaning.

The essence of Tarr's art consists in exactly that sort of dynamic interaction between the concretely material and the abstract, and I thought he was pushing both those elements and their relationship in surprising directions in this film. In the second shot, he plants the camera behind the protagonist's head (a trope that serves to block easy subjective identification and is repeated throughout the film), and then moves it forward to reveal a grid-like array of windows through which the city can be seen as both a "real" place and a sort of geometric abstraction, whose stark diagonal planes are set against the flat surface of the window panes (another motif that runs throughout the film, and one that subtly develops the elements present in the first shot). What was most amazing to me, though, was the way that those panes are treated as frames; the camera selects one and zooms in and through it, giving the viewer the illusion of inhabiting a self-contained narrative space before pulling back to re-introduce the overall "grid" and reveal that "scene" to be only a fragment of interrupted perception. This, in turn, is set against the spatiotemporal continuity created by the sequence shots. Tarr, had, of course, reflexively explored the idea of narration before, most markedly in Satantango, but both the method and the results are very different here (probably because he's working without Laszlo Kraznahorkai).

It's a bold film and while it's not as good as, say, Werckmeister Harmonies, it's ludicrous that it will probably never have US commercial distribution (not that this is surprising, of course).
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#30 Post by John Cope »

chaddoli wrote: And again, small distributors are becoming even less interested in difficult foreign works, instead buying up shitty American indies
Are you talking about Joe Swanberg? :wink:
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#31 Post by justeleblanc »

Is that a jab an Benton Films? To their credit, LOL was basically a free license. They couldn't afford Tarr, at least not yet.

IFC, who released Hannah Takes the Stairs is also releasing the new Rivette, so I assume you wouldn't be talking about them.

But as for Swanberg, I'll just say he's blowing his load on a concept that can only go so deep. And he doesn't film vaginas as often as he should.
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#32 Post by chaddoli »

I wasn't jabbing at anyone. Simply a fact. And IFC isn't that small - I'm talking about the really little guys - Strand, Palm, First Look, Vitagraph, etc. - the ones that should buy this film but won't.
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#33 Post by justeleblanc »

I agree. I'm surprised Facets, who seems to own all the other Tarr flicks in this country, hasn't snapped it up.
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#34 Post by miless »

justeleblanc wrote:I agree. I'm surprised Facets, who seems to own all the other Tarr flicks in this country, hasn't snapped it up.
maybe it's too expensive... or maybe they don't want to work with Tarr again since he forced them to redo their Sátántangó.
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#35 Post by Cold Bishop »

And on that note... maybe we should be thankful that Facets isn't handling this film.
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#36 Post by ptmd »

It seems pretty clear to me that this film is not going to get commercial distribution in North America anytime soon. Most of the other companies mentioned in this thread have never worked with Tarr and Facets only handles DVD releases and non-theatrical exhibition at their theater in Chicago. Meanwhile, the company that used to distribute Satantango and Werckmeister Harmonies is in dire financial straits and can't afford to pick up this film (they don't even have circulating prints of Satantango anymore).

All of that means that it's wide open for someone else, but none of the distribution people I've spoken with seem to have any interest in this film, and the lukewarm reviews have basically left it in distribution limbo. This sort of thing is not uncommon; the reason Godard's breathtaking Nouvelle Vague never got a proper release is because the New York Film Festival reviews were middling, particularly from the seemingly all-powerful New York Times (Stephen Holden disliked it and as far as New Yorker Films was concerned, that was that). The same thing happened to Sokurov's The Sun two years ago.

The Man From London should get at least a few screenings at Anthology Film Archives in New York later this year, but, aside from festivals and places like the Harvard Film Archive, it's unlikely to go much wider than that. Frankly, this isn't surprising as the only Tarr film that's ever received a commercial release at all was Werckmeister Harmonies (and, again, that was because it got astonishingly good press during its NYFF screenings).

Since they've handled Tarr's other films, though, Artificial Eye will probably release it on DVD sooner or later.
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#37 Post by justeleblanc »

In terms of Nouvelle Vague, that's so bizarre to think about now, since I think most people would argue that Nouvelle is pretty terrific. I assume it may have been a bit jarring coming after his work in the 80s.

As for the Tarr, I see an opening for Criterion/Janus. Fuck this Wes Anderson shit.
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#38 Post by miless »

justeleblanc wrote:As for the Tarr, I see an opening for Criterion/Janus. Fuck this Wes Anderson shit.
yeah... has Janus even bought any new films in the recent past? (I know they got older titles like Van Sant's Mala Noche... but the last new title I can think of was George Washington)
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#39 Post by domino harvey »

Fat Girl was fairly recent to when it was released.
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#40 Post by Oedipax »

Ratcatcher was also just a few years old.

I'd love to see Criterion releasing new films from time to time, although it leaves probably more room for disagreement about whether a certain film fits the collection. Someone needs to step up to take Wellspring's place, though...
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#41 Post by miless »

Béla Tarr is one of the worlds major auteur's these days. He'll be to the 00's what Antonioni was to the 60's.
he totally deserves to be distributed by Janus.
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#42 Post by Zazou dans le Metro »

ptmd wrote:Since they've handled Tarr's other films, though, Artificial Eye will probably release it on DVD sooner or later.
I think you'll find that's pretty much a done deal alongside talk of a Tarr box set later this year.
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#43 Post by pauling »

I would love to see Criterion establish a relationship with Tarr because I agree with miless that Tarr will be as important and discussed a filmmaker someday as Antonioni. In fact, I'd argue that, even today, he's actually more important. I realize the reception for 'The Man From London' wasn't all that great (I liked it ok) but surely lesser Tarr is still vastly superior to most everything else.
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#44 Post by Nothing »

Err... no, Tarr doesn't compare to Antonioni. He's only really made one great film.

But I agree, this absolutely deserves a proper US release. Janus have the cash, it would be nice to see them step up to the plate. Sod the reviews.
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#45 Post by kaujot »

This may actually belong in the Facets thread, but it's kind of going in this direction, so whatever.

Does anyone know the details of Tarr's deal with Facets? Is there any way he can get out of their grasp and go to a distributor who will treat his films with respect? Maybe he's not seen the DVDs of his films that they've put out, but I can't imagine him being pleased with it.
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#46 Post by miless »

Nothing wrote:Err... no, Tarr doesn't compare to Antonioni. He's only really made one great film.
I have to disagree with you here. He's made three great films, two of them are brilliant (Sátántangó and Werckmeister) and Damnation is really close.

There are also those who argue that Antonioni only has a handful of great films.
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#47 Post by Cold Bishop »

miless wrote:There are also those who argue that Antonioni only has a handful of great films.
And they never include one of his absolute best (Zabriskie Point) *shakes head*

As for Tarr, Werckmeister Harmonies is one of the few films of the last few years, if not the only, I can already really see eventually being put in the canon alongside the best of Bresson, Tarkovsky, Antonioni, Fellini, (Insert 20th Century Master Filmmaker here), etc. in the future. The man is incredibly important.
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#48 Post by justeleblanc »

It's Werckmeister's similarity to Bresson, Antonioni, etc that keeps me from actually saying it will hold up as strongly as those by the mid century masters. Tarr's films are terrific, but in more ways than not he's following in the footsteps of others, taking it in a different direction yes, but still not leading as originally. It's a bit similar to Whit Stillman and his relationship to Eric Rohmer.
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#49 Post by denti alligator »

justeleblanc wrote: It's a bit similar to Whit Stillman and his relationship to Eric Rohmer.
Ouch. That's unfair.

Whit Stillman is a director of stilted, pretentious films.

I think Tarr is up there with Kiarostami (and until recently with Yang) as one of the greatest living directors. I'd say he's breached new ground and is not just riffing on Tarkovsky and Bresson.

If anything the comparison should be Gus Van Sant to Tarr (apprentice to master).
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#50 Post by Nothing »

miless wrote:I have to disagree with you here. He's made three great films, two of them are brilliant (Sátántangó and Werckmeister) and Damnation is really close.
Well, you know... When making favourable comparisons to the greatest director of the 20th century I believe the word 'great' has to mean something. Tarr is far more reminiscent of Angelopoulos, anyhow, although he lacks the same level of historical and political insight.
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