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#1151 Post by dx23 »

Add Borders to the list of stores that have returned all their HD DVD inventory.

The HD VDM, according to the NY Times:
Another DVD Format, but This One Says It’s Cheaper

By ERIC A. TAUB
Published: March 10, 2008
No sooner has the battle for the next-generation high definition DVD format ended, with Blu-ray triumphing over HD DVD, than a new contender has emerged.

A new system that is incompatible with Blu-ray, called HD VMD, for versatile multilayer disc, is trying to find a niche. New Medium Enterprises, the London company behind HD VMD, says its system’s quality is equal to Blu-ray’s but it costs less. By undercutting the competition in production, replication and hardware costs, it thinks it can find a market among consumers with less disposable income, particularly outside the United States.

An HD VMD player costs less than a Blu-ray because it uses the red-laser technologies found in today’s standard-definition DVD players. The Blu-ray and HD DVD machines use a more-expensive blue laser system. “We do not intend to take on Blu-ray,” said Shirly Levich, New Medium’s vice president and product development manager, in an e-mail message. “We see VMD as a natural extension of mass market DVD product enhanced to HD capabilities. We shall not rekindle the format war.”

The industry and consumers may not see it that way, given that the company is promoting its price advantages. While Blu-ray players typically cost more than $300, an HD VMD unit is priced at $199. Sales through Amazon are scheduled to begin in five weeks, the company said. No talks have been held with the big-box retailers, like Wal-Mart Stores, to carry the product.

New Medium thinks its secret weapon is Michael Jay Solomon, one of Hollywood’s best-known film distributors, who has been named its chairman.

Although he has yet to approach the studios, Mr. Solomon, a former president of Warner Brothers International Television, said his long tenure in the industry would help him succeed in licensing movies for HD VMD. “It’s a combination of my good experiences and continual relationships,” Mr. Solomon said in a telephone interview from Shanghai, where he was visiting with company engineers.

No matter how cheap a player is, it is useless unless major movies are released using its format. To date, New Medium has come up short. Just 17 movies are available to customers in the United States at the company’s online store, including little-known ones like “The Enigma With a Stigma” and “Kandukondain Kandukondain,” a Bollywood production. Its major suppliers to the American market are Anthem Pictures, Eros Entertainment and SFM Entertainment, all independent distributors. Some bigger movies, like “Apocalypto,” are available in other territories.

Neither Walt Disney, Universal Studios nor Warner Brothers would comment on their interest in releasing movies on HD VMD.

But even without major studio movies, Mr. Solomon thinks the company will be successful. The low cost of producing HD VMD master discs, from which the consumer products are made, and the inexpensive consumer players have attracted the owners of movie rights in China, India and Spain, Mr. Solomon said. He said Australia, China, India, Central Europe, Russia and Scandinavia would be major markets.

“We can sell players for $90 and make a profit,” he said.

In the United States, Mr. Solomon believes that producers of lesser-known movies, like religious organizations and independent filmmakers, will see HD VMD as a cost-effective way to create high-definition versions of their programming.

The Blu-ray camp is unimpressed. New Medium’s price strategy will fail, said Andy Parsons, chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association, a trade group, because it relies on a false assumption: Blu-ray technology will always be more expensive.

“When you mass produce blue lasers in large quantities, hardware costs will absolutely come down,” Mr. Parsons said. “I’m sure we’ll eventually be able to charge $90 for a Blu-ray player.”

The HD VMD camp “is pitching a solution at a market niche that does not exist,” said Carmi Levy, senior vice president for strategic consulting at AR Communications, a Toronto research firm. “And even if it is a niche, you will never sell enough to make it a business.”

Mr. Solomon dissents. “Our idea is to create a player that people can afford. There is room for the two of us.”

Unfortunately, those consumers who bought HD DVD players that are now orphaned may not agree.
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#1152 Post by Morbii »

VMD was announced a long time ago, and I suspect it's far too late. No major studio is going to release on it, so who cares? I didn't read the whole thing, but I'm pretty sure the first error was pretty early on: HD-DVD used a red laser as well, which is why it was also cheaper than BD.
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#1153 Post by cdnchris »

Morbii wrote:VMD was announced a long time ago, and I suspect it's far too late. No major studio is going to release on it, so who cares? I didn't read the whole thing, but I'm pretty sure the first error was pretty early on: HD-DVD used a red laser as well, which is why it was also cheaper than BD.
HD DVD also used a blue laser. VMD uses a red laser but because of this each disc requires many many many layers to even come close to what a Blu-Ray disc or even an HD DVD disc could hold in one of their layers.
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#1154 Post by Morbii »

Well fuck me rotting, I had always "known" that it used a red laser still. I guess I was wrong!
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#1155 Post by miless »

a new disc technology that could store 1 TB per disc
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#1156 Post by King Prendergast »

miless wrote:a new disc technology that could store 1 TB per disc
Great!!! Now we can have the complete Berlin Alexanderplatz on one disc.
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#1157 Post by Kinsayder »

In a recent radio interview, René Chateau, the French video publisher, told listeners to "keep your VCRs", as many of his titles previously released on VHS would never be issued on DVD due to the lack of satisfactory materials. The implication was that faults that would be tolerated on a VHS release would attract more criticism on the higher standards of DVD.

I imagine the same thoughts must be going through the minds of DVD publishers with regards to Blu-ray and old films. A transfer from an old print that looks "OK" on VHS and "just OK" on SD DVD may look below-par on the higher standard of the Blu-ray format despite the best efforts of the publisher. It's an issue that Gary touches on in his Beaver review of the HD Seventh Seal. "Is it worth it? Is it that much better?"

The upshot may be that old films will only get a hi-def release if they exist in near-pristine condition (e.g., The Searchers, Casablanca) or if there is some specific commercial reason to justify the release. My concern is that if SD DVD goes the way of VHS, some important early films that may exist only in damaged prints (e.g., Grémillon's Petite Lise and Renoir's Nuit du carrefour) may never see a release at all due to the higher demands and expectations of the Blu-ray format.
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#1158 Post by fdm »

Kinsayder wrote:My concern is that if SD DVD goes the way of VHS, some important early films that may exist only in damaged prints (e.g., Grémillon's Petite Lise and Renoir's Nuit du carrefour) may never see a release at all due to the higher demands and expectations of the Blu-ray format.
Well, not likely SD DVD will be going away any time soon. But even if it did, blu-ray would just be its replacement. Same gamut of crap to (even more) wonderful. Has it been any different in the prior formats?
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#1159 Post by Kinsayder »

Oh, I'm quite sure there'll be plenty of crappy Blu-ray transfers. My point was that the good DVD publishers, the ones who care about their reputation, may set a higher quality threshold when selecting films for Blu-ray release than they do now for SD - as René Chateau has apparently been doing when picking films for SD DVD rather than VHS. The positive side of this is that important films with weak elements may get restored up to the Blu-ray quality threshold; the negative side is that others, where the cost of restoration is harder to justify, may just sit in the vault indefinitely.
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#1160 Post by Ben C »

Flawed film is far more bearable to look at that than flawed video. I much rather see grain, scratches, etc rather than compression blocks, banding, and dithering. Even if a lot of old films are in poor condition I'd still rather see them in high def.
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#1161 Post by stwrt »

I am finding that the size of my screen makes a huge contribution to how much I enjoy home video. For big hi-def releases, my 50" Plasma is the best option, but for standard DVD either my 32" LCD or 22" PC monitor is far preferable. Standard DVD on a big 50" screen looks tacky and virtually unwatchable (other Plasmas may perform better). We're being sold equipment that has yet to display all home video at its best - actually the only time I've seen standard DVD look good on a 50" screen is when it's displaying a Criterion disc, you can really see the quality of their discs.
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#1162 Post by Morbii »

Which high def player do you have, and does it upscale? I've noticed that my players that upscale actually do it quite well (PS3, A35). I agree that for some transfers there's still some left to be desired, but often they look fine (and yes, Criterions tend to look awesome).
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#1163 Post by King Prendergast »

I prefer to watch standard def discs that are not anamorphic on my 42'' plasma rather than through my Blu Ray player which is connected to my 60" LCD. When I zoom into 4:3 letterboxed dvds on my 60, even when 1080 upconverted, the image is horrible. Much less of a problem on the 42 despite the fact that the player I have hooked up to that is not an upconverter.
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#1164 Post by stwrt »

Morbii wrote:Which high def player do you have, and does it upscale? I've noticed that my players that upscale actually do it quite well (PS3, A35). I agree that for some transfers there's still some left to be desired, but often they look fine (and yes, Criterions tend to look awesome).
I have a Blu-Ray player and an HD-E1 player, think all hi-def players upscale, that could be part of the problem: I might try playing SD-DVD discs and let the Plasma do the upscaling. By the way, the HD-E1 player stretches to 1080i for hi-definition while the Blu-Ray player reaches 1080p, can't say I've noticed much difference on my Plasma.
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#1165 Post by Ornette »

Spotted on the Beaver:
Powell and Pressburger's Black Narcissus to come to Blu-ray and many other announced/rumored...
...like An American in Paris and Gigi.
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#1166 Post by Morbii »

stwrt wrote:
Morbii wrote:Which high def player do you have, and does it upscale? I've noticed that my players that upscale actually do it quite well (PS3, A35). I agree that for some transfers there's still some left to be desired, but often they look fine (and yes, Criterions tend to look awesome).
I have a Blu-Ray player and an HD-E1 player, think all hi-def players upscale, that could be part of the problem: I might try playing SD-DVD discs and let the Plasma do the upscaling. By the way, the HD-E1 player stretches to 1080i for hi-definition while the Blu-Ray player reaches 1080p, can't say I've noticed much difference on my Plasma.
Weird. I don't think the plasma does any upscaling, just resizing on the screen. In theory it shouldn't look as good, but it's worth a try.
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#1167 Post by Ornette »

Morbii wrote:Weird. I don't think the plasma does any upscaling, just resizing on the screen. In theory it shouldn't look as good, but it's worth a try.
Unlike a CRT monitor, you can't fill a LCD or plasma screen with a resolution of your own choice. If your LCD/plasma has a 1366x768 panel, the screen has to upscale the image to 1366x768 if you want to fill it. So yes, every LCD/plasma monitor does upscaling, you don't need an upscaling DVD to do this -- which seems to be the belief of many. If your TV already has a good upscaling chip (like a Pioneer), you might want to think twice before you let your DVD handle the upscaling and instead set the HDMI output to 480/576i and let your TV handle that part instead.
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#1168 Post by Morbii »

Ornette wrote:
Morbii wrote:Weird. I don't think the plasma does any upscaling, just resizing on the screen. In theory it shouldn't look as good, but it's worth a try.
Unlike a CRT monitor, you can't fill a LCD or plasma screen with a resolution of your own choice. If your LCD/plasma has a 1366x768 panel, the screen has to upscale the image to 1366x768 if you want to fill it. So yes, every LCD/plasma monitor does upscaling, you don't need an upscaling DVD to do this -- which seems to be the belief of many. If your TV already has a good upscaling chip (like a Pioneer), you might want to think twice before you let your DVD handle the upscaling and instead set the HDMI output to 480/576i and let your TV handle that part instead.
Ah. I knew it had to resize it to fill the screen, but what I didn't realize was that TVs actually came with a proper upscaling chip. Good to know.
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#1169 Post by stwrt »

When I play a Blu-Ray disc on my LCD (a 1366x768 panel) I have to re-set the player to outputting 768, otherwise I get a blank screen, whereas my HD-E1 player copes fine without having to re-set the damn thing. One of the "joys" of home theatre nowadays is to be forever fiddling with the controls on the various equipment decks, makes me kind of nostalgic for VHS when I just loaded the tape, sat back and watched the movie.
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#1170 Post by Ornette »

Morbii wrote:Ah. I knew it had to resize it to fill the screen, but what I didn't realize was that TVs actually came with a proper upscaling chip. Good to know.
Just to clarify further: A LCD or plasma never resize pixels, they are always adding pixels, in other words upscaling. Resizing could apply to the shameless act of stretching a 4:3 picture to fit the 16:9 format, but this is really also a form of upscaling.
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#1171 Post by Morbii »

Ornette wrote:
Morbii wrote:Ah. I knew it had to resize it to fill the screen, but what I didn't realize was that TVs actually came with a proper upscaling chip. Good to know.
Just to clarify further: A LCD or plasma never resize pixels, they are always adding pixels, in other words upscaling. Resizing could apply to the shameless act of stretching a 4:3 picture to fit the 16:9 format, but this is really also a form of upscaling.
Yeah, I'm aware. I was more or less attempting to differentiate quality upscaling vs shitty upscaling (which I was dubbing "resizing"). I think I've made this issue more complicated than I should have :o
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#1172 Post by Antoine Doinel »

From IMDB:
Antigua Company Claims It Broke Blu-ray Copy Protection

Calling it "the 'must have' utility for the serious home theater enthusiast," an Antigua-based company has begun selling software that it claims will break Sony's Blu-ray copy-protection code. Moreover, it says, its AnyDVD HD application can do so on the original disc so that it can be watched without a special Blu-ray player. Blu-ray's stronger digital rights management (DRM) protection had been a major factor in its victory over Toshiba's HD DVD. In a statement posted on its site, Slysoft thumbed its nose at film studios, saying that those "that have switched to Blu-ray may have crowed a little too early." While Sony's BD+ technology also includes measures intended to counter such a security breach, Slysoft's head of high-definition technology, Peer van Heuen, said in the statement, "We are well-prepared for this and await the coming developments rather relaxed." Slysoft is likely to find a safe haven in Antigua, which has threatened to nullify its intellectual property treaty with the U.S. -- thereby allowing copyright pirates to operate freely within its shores -- in retaliation for a U.S. crackdown on Internet gambling sites doing business in that country.
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#1173 Post by cdnchris »

I was surprised to still get my 5 free discs from the HD DVD offer. And as a bonus they sent me the remastered Full Metal Jacket instead of the previous release. My wife also got the director's cut of Troy instead of the theatrical version.
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#1174 Post by Antoine Doinel »

Microsoft says no Blu-ray for Xbox 360

From IMDB:
Films To Be Produced Exclusively for Xbox

Thinking outside the Xbox, Microsoft is planning to make available to subscribers to its Xbox Live service short scripted shows from established Hollywood producers created exclusively for the Xbox 360 consoles. Since most of the consoles are connected to TV sets rather than to computers, the films would compete directly with currently available on-demand TV shows. Heading up the Xbox production company, Microsoft said, will be veteran Hollywood producer Peter Safran. Safran told today's (Monday) New York Times that he plans to seek out top directors and writers for his projects but expects to eschew high-priced screenwriters and actors.
And if you're wondering who Peter Safran is, he's the producing wizard behind Meet The Spartans, Over Her Dead Body and Connie & Carla.
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#1175 Post by arsonfilms »

Ha! Thats awesome! Yet another thing for me not to care anything at all about!

Honestly, will exclusively producing horrible content for a single appliance do anything for anyone? What's next, Air Supply recording an exclusive album for my toaster? A new Nora Roberts book I can read on my shower curtain?
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