The Dismantled: Film Critics Get the Axe

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portnoy
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#51 Post by portnoy »

Btw, if anyone reading the comments to that Reeler post needs to be reminded, Luke Y. Thompson looks like this:

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For what it's worth, I was never huge on Lee's criticism, but the dude is clearly in love with the medium, clearly an asset (of sorts) for the Voice, and it continues to be depressing to see staff writers get axed in favor of Rotating Freelancers.

And it's especially depressing that Lee is getting axed, but New Times still counts as an employee this idiot, who should be posting in <size="large"> on AICN.
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#52 Post by tavernier »

Isn't that the guy from Clerks?
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#53 Post by Barmy »

How did you find my pic?

And really, who cares. Who besides Hoberman, White, Variety and maybe the NYTimes peeps are worth reading? You are not going to get in-depth analysis from junior crix at any rag. :shock: :roll: :|
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#54 Post by starmanof51 »

Barmy wrote: :shock: :roll: :|
The many moods of Barmy
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#55 Post by Donald Brown »

There was no reason to continue reading the Voice after Georgia Brown retired.
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#56 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

David Poland sounds off on the death of print film criticism.

His comments about Rolling Stone's Peter Travers is pretty amusing.
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#57 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

More hand-wringing about the state of print film journalism.

Ebert's prophetic essay
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#59 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

Premiere magazine has fired Glenn Kenny
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#60 Post by domino harvey »

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:Premiere magazine has fired Glenn Kenny
They fired the only reason anyone even reads their website? Jesus
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#61 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

domino harvey wrote:
Fletch F. Fletch wrote:Premiere magazine has fired Glenn Kenny
They fired the only reason anyone even reads their website? Jesus
You mean, you don't surf their site for such snazzy articles as "20 Hottest Sex Scenes" or, my personal fave, "10 Kickass Female Characters"?
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#62 Post by Andre Jurieu »

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:
domino harvey wrote:
Fletch F. Fletch wrote:Premiere magazine has fired Glenn Kenny
They fired the only reason anyone even reads their website? Jesus
You mean, you don't surf their site for such snazzy articles as "20 Hottest Sex Scenes" or, my personal fave, "10 Kickass Female Characters"?
I thought that those lists were the entire point of Premiere's (and EW's) website.
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#63 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

Andre Jurieu wrote:
Fletch F. Fletch wrote:
domino harvey wrote: They fired the only reason anyone even reads their website? Jesus
You mean, you don't surf their site for such snazzy articles as "20 Hottest Sex Scenes" or, my personal fave, "10 Kickass Female Characters"?
I thought that those lists were the entire point of Premiere's (and EW's) website.
Heh. At least, EW has gotten some exclusive scoops like the first indepth piece on Stone's W. flick.
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#64 Post by Barmy »

Who cares. I looked at his blog for the first time today and was bored after 2 minutes.
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#65 Post by Michael Kerpan »

Barmy wrote:Who cares. I looked at his blog for the first time today and was bored after 2 minutes.
Wow, just wow.
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#66 Post by tavernier »

2 minutes is a long time in blogdom.
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#67 Post by gubbelsj »

NPR just aired a story on the massive layoffs impacting film reviewing departments among news organizations.
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#68 Post by domino harvey »

Barmy wrote:Who cares. I looked at his blog for the first time today and was bored after 2 minutes.
Maybe if you looked at it in the middle of a well-populated Cyber Cafe so you could gauge the responses of others
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#69 Post by Jeff »

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:Premiere magazine has fired Glenn Kenny
That sucks. Kenny's blog was one of my first stops every day. It was always entertaining and informative, and Glenn seems like one of the genuine good guys. Here's hoping that he finds a new, better home. Here's also hoping that the now useless Premiere collapses in bankruptcy.

EDIT: GK hasn't wasted any time setting up a new, temporary home.
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#70 Post by Fletch F. Fletch »

Jeff wrote:
Fletch F. Fletch wrote:Premiere magazine has fired Glenn Kenny
That sucks. Kenny's blog was one of my first stops every day. It was always entertaining and informative, and Glenn seems like one of the genuine good guys. Here's hoping that he finds a new, better home. Here's also hoping that the now useless Premiere collapses in bankruptcy.

EDIT: GK hasn't wasted any time setting up a new, temporary home.
Here's more about the business side of the dismantling of Premiere.
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#71 Post by colinr0380 »

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:Here's more about the business side of the dismantling of Premiere.
Kliger wrote:"We saw trend lines for both ELLEgirl.com and Premiere.com moving in very positive, healthy directions, and we didn't necessarily feel that the print versions, which were not trending in a reasonable timeline toward profitability, enhanced what the digital versions were providing."
Sounds like he's moved from that position to set his staff "free to roam the high seas as buccaneers of our broadcasting future" in the manner of Gus Hedges!
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#72 Post by MichaelB »

'Is it curtains for critics?' - a long piece by restaurant critic Jay Rayner in today's Observer.
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#73 Post by colinr0380 »

It does seem a shame that it has moved into a 'paper criticism good, electronic criticism bad' debate when it really seems to be more about the publishers abdicating on their responsibilities towards in-depth coverage of their subjects. The importance of a salaried critic, as the article MichaelB posted points out, is that they are given a relatively stable platform from which to develop their style/voice/readership for better or even for worse (and the danger that their mannerisms become so ingrained that they end up doing a parody of their own criticism - i.e. they purely force the film to fit in with their attitude rather than trying to observe it with some objectivity as well)

It also provides some incentive towards going to the rubbish plays or the bad films - as Glenn Kenny pointed out, one of the good aspects about leaving Premiere was that he was not obliged to have to go and see Sex and the City! I don't expect any casual fan to force themselves through something they have a good idea that they are going to hate (but I would respect them for going and trying to give the film a fair chance anyway!) but I do feel that if you are getting paid for your considered opinion you should pay full attention to a performance or eat a good amount of the meal that you are reviewing (which is why I abhor the idea of critics flouncing out in the middle of things they are supposed to review - you are supposed to be our eyes and ears!)

However casual fandom and blogging has its own peculiarities and difficulties as well - because of not getting paid for your work, you have to decide not just want you want to cover but what you can afford to cover. That may be understandable but it does lead to ghettoisation as people may just stick with the areas in which they have most interest in rather than exploring outside their comfort zone - they have more excuse than a salaried critic to do so but it is still a problem if you want a 'well rounded' reviewer able to talk with some authority about Hayao Miyazaki, Carl Dreyer and Tim Burton!

It takes experience and time to digest films and reach that level of all round competence with a few 'specialist subjects', though here it could be suggested that things have not really changed at all except that critics are serving their apprenticeships on forums and blogs rather than holding that knowledge in until their first paid review for a paper and then developing their voice there. They are developing in a more public space rather than in a private one (though the advantage is that the Internet can feel more of a private, informal conversation space despite its wide broadcast range). The pool of available talent has just gotten more transparent to others!

I feel you also need to have people whose opinion you respect to gauge yourself against, to agree or disagree with, people with a back catalogue of material that you can look through to see where your opinions coincide or part ways. I sort of agree with the quote in the above article that people like reading people with similar views to their own because the audience is looking for someone with a similar take on the world whose opinion on things they have not seen might be similar to theirs. However I think that is only the start - then it becomes quibbling about the differences, about trying to understand what one critic loved or hated versus your own response (to use a general example, I generally respect Mark Kermode's reviews but cannot stand The Exorcist!), and the reader feels comfortable in creating their own idea of cinema, and enjoying reading film critics for their own takes on film for the chance to hear another person's opinion rather than to get a God-like pronouncement of what is definitively great or not.

The problem seems to be that papers are looking for critics to a) have a distinctive point of view that sets them apart from everyone else, which is something that can lead to critics becoming ever more extreme parodies of themselves in an attempt to give themselves distinction, or to b) be a mouthpiece for the worldview of the paper or magazine (this can be conforming to the political leanings of a paper, or could be as apolitical as writing reviews in a fluffy celeb-focused 'Heat' magazine style - either way it strikes me that they are still analysing the audience they are writing for more than the film itself).

I would much prefer a situation where critics were asked to put the primacy of the film above other considerations, to subordinate themselves to the piece of work under discussion. Then after taking that perspective add your own impressions and tailor it to your audience. It seems a lot of print publications in which film criticism is not their main task ignore that first step in the rush to fold the film into their perspective on the world and how that fits in with the 'style' of the rest of their publications and are not interested in either objective analysis of a film or in personal opinions that may be at odds with their 'brand image' (see the upping of review ratings of The Da Vinci Code by newspaper editors a couple of years ago).

No wonder people are moving to the Internet for a little more freedom in saying what they want, whether that is to analyse films in more depth or to be able to post longer rants than they would otherwise be able to!
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#74 Post by Matt »

I didn't really want to start a new thread for this (and I'm surprised I'm the first one to bring it up):

Ebert & Roeper leave "At the Movies" and are replaced by two of the most unlikeable people to ever be called film critics.

I wouldn't watch this new show, even as a joke.
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#75 Post by Michael Kerpan »

Matt wrote:I didn't really want to start a new thread for this (and I'm surprised I'm the first one to bring it up):.
too depressing to think about, maybe?
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