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#51 Post by **domino harvey** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:57 am

Luke M wrote:Does this thread have any purpose other than the Christians-are-fucking-retarded circle jerk?

Are you reading a different thread?

miless · #52 Post by **miless** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:33 am

I think the thing that's wrong with this film is that the filmmakers confuse freedom of speech with scientific theory. You have the right to think and say whatever you want with regards to the evidence presented, but the science classroom is not meant as a platform for free speech, but to educate based upon scientific theories and research. Intelligent Design has absolutely no science behind it (proponents of ID will claim otherwise, but they enter into experiments with a set outcome, unlike true scientists whom may guess as to an answer, but will accept the results of their test). There also seems to be a misunderstanding with the word theory, too. Gravity is a theory and I don't see many ID proponents claiming that Gravity, too, is a fallacy. My last beef with ID proponents is that their 'scientific research' serves no purpose. Real science has applications, technology which helps better our lives. through the study of evolution we have improved (or attempted to) many things from computer technology to genetic engineering. Creationism serves no purpose other than to get people to believe in a Christian God. It's the sort of thing that should, and currently is, taught to children by their parents (even if I think that this can be, in some instances, akin to brainwashing).

Polybius · #53 Post by **Polybius** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:03 am

They don't "confuse" anything. This is a long term project to undermine the very idea of objective academic standards and the idea of science and the scientific method itself. They do that by positing this 'idea' that they're being denied equal access and having their free speech restricted. They use the ideas of liberal society (and I'm using that in it's broadest sense, going back to the Enlightenment era), which they and their ilk have always opposed, against it. They're doing exactly what they've been doing for a long time, now and they're in it for the long haul.

It's easy to make fun of a worthless asshole like Stein, but he's just the spokes-stooge for all of this. The real threat is the people behind the scenes (who you can bet actively despise him, although he seems to have some sort of masochistic fascination with the type, what with his embarrassing Nixon worship.)

HerrSchreck · #54 Post by **HerrSchreck** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:06 am

I'm afraid youre right. Anyone who thinks the plans for a "permanent republican majority" (hatched in conservative think tanks decades ago and carefully, measure for measure, brought to meticulous realization, act by act, to culminate over the "glory" years of the Bush admin) died with Rove's white house job is sorely mistaken. If anything, you are going to see a lot of patient groundwork of this sort over the next term if a Democrat gets in. Republicans are nothing if not patient, and see strategy in terms of measurable, day by day, grindingly quantitative tactics like this. They never hope for a comeback... they are ruthlessly patient and hands on about change, and never pray for "in the wind" stuff like paradigm shifts based of Mysterious Seismic SOmethings. They work to make them happen, little by little... tilling the ground so that when the time is right they can more fruitfully Execute A Victory.

Robotron · #55 Post by **Robotron** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:24 am

A very cool conversation with the associate producer of the film.

jesus the mexican boi · Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:05 am

'Imagine' that: Yoko's attorneys tell "Expelled" nutjobs they're walking on thin ice

Reuters
Posted: 2008-04-23 19:49:17
NEW YORK (Reuters) - John Lennon's sons and widow, Yoko Ono, are suing the filmmakers of "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" for using the song "Imagine" in the documentary without permission.

Lennon recorded the song in 1971 and in 2004, Rolling Stone magazine ranked it No. 3 on their list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, according to the lawsuit.

Ono, her son Sean Ono Lennon, and Julian Lennon, John Lennon's son from his first marriage, along with privately held publisher EMI Blackwood Music Inc filed suit in U.S. District Court in Manhattan seeking to bar the filmmakers and their distributors from continuing to use "Imagine" in the movie.

They are also seeking unspecified damages.

The documentary, which features Ben Stein, an actor, comedian and former speechwriter for President Richard Nixon, looks at alleged discrimination against scientists and teachers who support so-called intelligent design as an alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution.

The suit is against the film's producers and distributors: Premise Media Corporation, C&S Production LP and Rocky Mountain Pictures.

The producers cited the fair use doctrine, which allows the use of copyrighted materials for the purposes of commentary and criticism.

"We are disappointed therefore that Yoko Ono and others have decided to challenge our free speech right to comment on the song 'Imagine' in our documentary film," they said in a statement.

dx23 · #57 Post by **dx23** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:12 am

Those producers have brass balls to say that the use of the song is based on free speech. I hope that the Lennons get all the profits from the film.

Kirkinson · #58 Post by **Kirkinson** » Thu May 01, 2008 5:45 pm

The Anti-Defamation League officially responds:

The film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed misappropriates the Holocaust and its imagery as a part of its political effort to discredit the scientific community which rejects so-called intelligent design theory.

Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people and Darwin and evolutionary theory cannot explain Hitler's genocidal madness.

Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry.

miless · #59 Post by **miless** » Thu May 01, 2008 6:53 pm

Finally... not that it will change the minds of those who were already brainwashed (as that is the film's audience)

Antoine Doinel · #60 Post by **Antoine Doinel** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:45 am

According to Ben Stein, science equals murder.

#61 Post by **domino harvey** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:58 am

Jeez, when even the National Review thinks something is overkill...

Excellent new Jack Chick tract to coincide with the film

miless · #62 Post by **miless** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:30 am

I love those comics because they are so absurd. Their lack of cognitive skills is always just astounding.

#63 Post by **domino harvey** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:34 am

miless wrote:I love those comics because they are so absurd. Their lack of cognitive skills is always just astounding.

There's another good, older tract about evolution that's even more in line with Stein and crew: Big Daddy

miless · #64 Post by **miless** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:45 am

oh, they use Kent Hovind as a source... he's the guy who believed that most of the water on Earth used to be a solid sphere of ice encircling our world in the atmosphere (which melted and caused the flood, and made the oceans)

#65 Post by **domino harvey** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:51 am

I remember one Chick tract about a teen girl who gets ready to have sex with some cowboy and a slutty older neighborhood woman is like "Yeah, sexual freedom is great, just wear a condom and it's fine." Then the teen gets VD and the slutty woman thinks it's contagious and sprays disinfectant at her vagina. Just like in the Bible

miless · #66 Post by **miless** » Sun May 11, 2008 7:03 am

sounds like their just creating a bunch of fetishists.

portnoy · #67 Post by **portnoy** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:29 am

domino harvey wrote:I remember one Chick tract about a teen girl who gets ready to have sex with some cowboy and a slutty older neighborhood woman is like "Yeah, sexual freedom is great, just wear a condom and it's fine." Then the teen gets VD and the slutty woman thinks it's contagious and sprays disinfectant at her vagina. Just like in the Bible

That Crazy Guy!

Antoine Doinel · #68 Post by **Antoine Doinel** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:42 am

Yoko Ono loses court battle over fair use of "Imagine".

HerrSchreck · #69 Post by **HerrSchreck** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:13 pm

Thats pretty unusual, unless the song was mere background hum as incidental.. or snippeted super brief.

Anyone see this thing, and hear how the song was used? Jesus le boi's posted Reuters article above doesnt get awfully detailed.

I wonder how Mick Jagger feels about all this..

Antoine Doinel · #70 Post by **Antoine Doinel** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:22 pm

Ben Stein continues to be an idiot.

#71 Post by **swo17** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:39 pm

Antoine Doinel wrote:Ben Stein continues to be an idiot.

I don't want to take sides or anything, but Hitler's middle name was also Hussein.

knives · #72 Post by **knives** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:48 am

If you thought After Last Season was bad you haven't C Me Dance.

#73 Post by **domino harvey** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:55 am

That lead performance is why you don't cast films based solely on headshots

Dylan · #74 Post by **Dylan** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:59 am

I thought I was dreaming for a second, but no. I actually met the lead "actress" in C Me Dance, Christina DeMarco, at a party. A stunning beauty who I'd known had done some modeling and dance, but I had no idea DeMarco was, eh, attempting to act too. My guess is she has ties to whoever financed this, eh, "film."

It's amazing how this trailer gets one-hundred times more awful with every passing second.

#75 Post by **domino harvey** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:30 am

Dylan wrote: It's amazing how this trailer gets one-hundred times more awful with every passing second.

It peaked in the middle with Fat Anthony Paglia, but Metrosexual Satan still held my interest

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