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#326 Post by Michael Kerpan »

golgothicon wrote:Michael, are there other movies that show benshi in action? "Untamed" sounds interesting just because of this one scene.
Kayo Hatta's "Picture Bride" has an appearance by Toshiro Mifune (in his last role) as a traveling benshi in pre-WW2 Hawaii (he would go from settlement to settlement of migrant workers).

Takahata's "Gauche the Cellist" shows a provincial movie orchestra accompanying a Western (looking) cartoon -- but I don't recall if one ever hears a benshi in this scene.
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#327 Post by Perkins Cobb »

The benshi scene in Untamed was great -- if I recall this correctly, there's a sort of shock cut to the actors "speaking" with a distorted male voice and then the camera pans down to the narrator. Sort of the centerpiece of the film's astute sense of period.

And I wouldn't rate Untamed as minor in Naruse's oeuvre -- it's superior to some of the films from around the same time that were included in the touring retrospective a couple of years ago. Takamine (and Daisuke Kato) are terrific, the balance of melodrama and humor is perfect, and I loved the ending -- totally, surprisingly liberating and yet not really an ending at all. Takamine's character seems to be half a step away from becoming an Imamura heroine more than a Naruse heroine. I wish I knew enough about pre-war Japanese culture to have a sense of whether Takamine's pre-feminist independence is typical or unusual within the lower class.
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#328 Post by der_Artur »

Thanks Michael and Sanjuro. I'll try to find some of these.

Back to topic. ;-)
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#329 Post by shirobamba »

Perkins Cobb wrote:I wish I knew enough about pre-war Japanese culture to have a sense of whether Takamine's pre-feminist independence is typical or unusual within the lower class.
Here's a good book about this topic.
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#330 Post by Michael Kerpan »

It's good that Mitsuyo Wada-Marciano's Nippon Modern is available in paperback now. the hardback version was quite pricey. This book is primarily focused on women as depicted in movies. Another very useful book on Japanese women in the early 20th century and modernity (not particularly movie-related) -- Batbara Sato's The New Japanese Woman (Duke University Press, 2003).
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#331 Post by sidehacker »

To the folks who saw this at NYC's Film Forum - what ratio was Untamed projected at?
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#332 Post by Perkins Cobb »

I believe 1.33:1, although I guess it could've been 1.66 and I didn't notice. It's definitely not a 'scope film.
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#333 Post by tavernier »

sidehacker wrote:To the folks who saw this at NYC's Film Forum - what ratio was Untamed projected at?
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#334 Post by sidehacker »

Oops, didn't notice. That does make sense, though, as the wider projection in DC seemed to cut off the very top of some character's heads. On a similar note, does anyone notice something just "wrong" about Wild Side's Summer Clouds transfer. It seems to have the color scheme of a techno club and occasionally, character's heads seem to be translucent. Assuming there is one, is the Japanese disc any different? I'll provide a screenshot example if it's needed.
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#335 Post by Perkins Cobb »

Incidentally, reading back on this ....
Haggai wrote:The tone is occasionally pretty strange, featuring some nasty fights between Takamine and some of the men, as well as a darkly funny (and one-sided) catfight with one of her female rivals. It was almost like Naruse had decided to drop a few semi-comic John Ford tussles into the middle of this otherwise standard shomin-geki period piece.
The fight scenes were definitely semi-comic, and provoked some laughter from the audience, but they didn't strike me as Fordian, with his undercurrent of condescension toward strong-willed women. Rather Naruse's intent seemed to startle with the degree (even extending to the physical) of his heroine's unwillingness to capitulate to men who would expect to dominate her. Very much the anti-Quiet Man, in other words.
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#336 Post by Haggai »

Yeah, I wasn't trying to draw any analogies involving gender roles when I mentioned Ford. I also didn't have a lighter-in-tone film like The Quiet Man in mind; I was thinking more of The Searchers, a more intense drama that nevertheless takes time out for a comic brawl.

I agree with your take on Naruse's likely intent behind the scenes of Takamine's fisticuffs with Kato's character, but didn't the beatdown of the mistress come across as just a good-old fashioned catfight? :P
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#337 Post by KeystoneCop »

Does anyone have anything to say about these three films: Whistling in Kotan (1959), Evening Stream (1960), and A Woman's Life (1963)? They recently showed on French television, but I can't seem to find anything about them. I don't think they have shown at any of the recent retros.
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You wouldn't happen to be Bressoniac at KG would you? :wink:
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KeystoneCop wrote:Does anyone have anything to say about these three films: Whistling in Kotan (1959), Evening Stream (1960), and A Woman's Life (1963)? They recently showed on French television, but I can't seem to find anything about them. I don't think they have shown at any of the recent retros.
I've only seen "Onna no rekishi" (A Woman's Story). Comments and some pictures here.

Evening Stream seems to have been an omnibus film -- half by Naruse and half by Yuzo Kawashima. Whistling in Kotan was set in Hokkaido (as I recall). Narboni's book has a few more details on these films.
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sidehacker wrote:You wouldn't happen to be Bressoniac at KG would you?
Bingo! :P
Michael Kerpan wrote:I've only seen "Onna no rekishi" (A Woman's Story). Comments and some pictures here.

Evening Stream seems to have been an omnibus film -- half by Naruse and half by Yuzo Kawashima. Whistling in Kotan was set in Hokkaido (as I recall). Narboni's book has a few more details on these films.
Thanks for the "Onna no rekishi" review! Details seem very scarce on these three films. It appears as if some kind folks online might be working on English subs for them with the aid of the French television broadcasts.
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#341 Post by Michael Kerpan »

Onna no rekishi was dismissed as insignificant (as I recall) in Bock's book on Japanese directors (despite the fact that she clearly had not sen it). In my experience, even second-tier Naruse films of this era have proved to be (almost uniformly) quite worth seeing.

If and when I see copies of these French broadcasts, my Ozu count should make it up to 62. Sadly, the much-praised Anzukko is one film that seems to remain outside my grasp. ;~}
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#342 Post by esl »

Michael Kerpan wrote:Onna no rekishi was dismissed as insignificant (as I recall) in Bock's book on Japanese directors (despite the fact that she clearly had not sen it). In my experience, even second-tier Naruse films of this era have proved to be (almost uniformly) quite worth seeing.
Michael, you are correct. Bock did dismiss Onna no rekishi along with Onna no Za( Woman's Status) from the previous year. She said of the second one,"Apparently such a mediocre film, it is not even accorded a place in film reference books." That's all she wrote. Clearly she had not seen that one either.

Btw, I am going through withdrawals as all my DVDs have been packed in preparation of my move in three weeks to Japan. My hope is that once I settle down in Yokohama I will get the satellite station Nihon Eiga Senmon, which should allow me the opportunity to see more Naruse along with a boatload of other movies rarely, if ever, seen outside Japan.
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esl wrote:Michael, you are correct. Bock did dismiss Onna no rekishi along with Onna no Za(Woman's Status) from the previous year. She said of the second one,"Apparently such a mediocre film, it is not even accorded a place in film reference books." That's all she wrote. Clearly she had not seen that one either.
Maybe she didn't look at the right reference books.

Neither of these two Naruse fims are masterpieces, perhaps. but neither are they simply junk. At the very least, they are effective acting showcases for some of Japan's best actors and actresses.
Btw, I am going through withdrawals as all my DVDs have been packed in preparation of my move in three weeks to Japan. My hope is that once I settle down in Yokohama I will get the satellite station Nihon Eiga Senmon, which should allow me the opportunity to see more Naruse along with a boatload of other movies rarely, if ever, seen outside Japan.
Oh, how I wish one could subscribe to the Japanese movie channels! I would order satellite TV in a flash if I could get access to this.

I'm very jealous. ;~}
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#344 Post by HerrSchreck »

Good god, I just watched the most incredible Naruse film-- certainly my favorite among the BFI & MoC collections-- Late Chrysanthemums, which just dazzled my brains with it's unusual structure and narrative, atomic performances (Haruko Sugimura may have just inched into the number one spot of my favorite all time Japanese actress, Hara's sensitive cuteness and incredible acting depth be damned), and deft editing scheme.

It's incredible the way this man builds a slow sure bank account of That Which Is Unspoken on the screen in you, bit by bit gathering seeds that bloom later on as the effect accumulates, and how he plays drab material against higher volume moments.

The silent poetics in operation here are just tour de force. Yuko Mochizuki's performance as Tomi is just inches behind Sugimura's rendering of Kin.

I have to say Freiberg really needed a makeup time-out here... I kept running a distracting play by play of the spit-cotton accumulating in the corners of her mouth, edging further & further out onto her face, while trying to pay attention to her words.

She clearly knew her stuff.. but Paul Willimen's essay was just...............much. Overwrought Neurotic Overintellectualized White-Personville.
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#345 Post by Tommaso »

As I've just made my way through the BFI set, too, your post is a good reminder that I wanted to say something about these films and the BFI extras, too. First of all I think that Naruse finally clicked for me with these three films, quite unlike the films in the MoC set two years ago. I don't know what it is exactly, but it may have something to do with at least "Floating Clouds" and "Woman Ascends" having a far more immediate, direct visual 'surface attractiveness' to them than the other films. God, I was simply blown away by the style of those night-clubbers in "Woman" and the utterly beautiful Hideko Takamine in both films (while Setsuko Hara in Naruse reminded me too much of her usual type in Ozu, and thus left me pretty cold). Also the more general melodramatic feeling (in a positive sense) in both films attracted me very much; "Floating Clouds" is a knock-out in this respect, there's so much intensity in the playing without ever sinking into cheap tear-jerking that I felt touched at a very deep emotional, sublime level. Add to this the incredible cinematography, especially near the end where they go towards that island, and you have a film that immediately caused me to revise my Top Twenty All-Time-List, not just of Japanese films.
HerrSchreck wrote:Late Chrysanthemums, which just dazzled my brains with it's unusual structure and narrative, atomic performances (Haruko Sugimura may have just inched into the number one spot of my favorite all time Japanese actress, Hara's sensitive cuteness and incredible acting depth be damned), and deft editing scheme.
I agree on this, too, especially as narrative and performance is concerned; still, I liked this less than the other two films (and was happy to have watched it first of the three). It's certainly not a problem of the film, but on a purely personal level Haruko Sugimura does as little for me as Hara does. Her role here is rather unsympathetic, though very well motivated and gorgeously acted, and this makes it more difficult to connect with her as much as with Takamine in the other two films, looks not even considered.

As to the unusual filmic structure: I was REALLY, REALLY thankful for the Willemen bit; the way he explains the kaleidoscopic effect of those short takes and shots that Naruse edits together for the first time really made me understand what everybody is talking about when they say that Naruse is so special. He certainly is, but this visual specialness is so understated that you might simply miss it, like I did with the MoC films, and might wonder what all this fuzz about Naruse is actually about. I understand where you come from, Schreck, but Willemen perhaps just pointed those things out for me that made me finally understand Naruse (I hope).

As to Freiberg: she says some nice things in the interviews and comes over as a completely wonderful person (spit-cottons or not), but man: these audio-commentaries?? Whoever let her do it, he was at least wise enough to let the torture not go on full-length. Even in the 15 minutes alotted to her, does she ever say anything not already said in the interviews or what we can see on the screen for herself: "Now Takamine and her barkeeper friend, who is played by Tatsuya Nakadai, are crossing a bridge and she says this and that..." And so on for the next 10 min...

Anyway, I treasure this whole set very much and am thankful that I finally chose to give Naruse another try. I'll re-watch the MoC films soon, for sure, and perhaps they now click as well. But for a newcomer to Naruse, I would imagine the BFI set is a far better start.
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#346 Post by HerrSchreck »

Frankly all of the extras on the BFI's had a rather embarassing feel to them, like walking into someone's house and catching the aroma of their poop curling around the hallway from the bathroom into the kitchen or something.

I didn't listen to the FReiberg commentaries, and I never watched the BFI When A Woman.. because I have the R1 CC (great edition, GREAT interview w Nakadai which will give you from firsthand in five seconds flat what it takes this Willimen character about nine years and endless Neuroses Peeks to finally get around say-- the obvious-- about Naruse's shooting assembly of stringed shots.

As to Sugi's unsympathetic character, it's the bravery in her to do such a thing-- repulse the viewer-- that causes my heart to swell for her. THAT, my friend, is an actress for you.
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Perhaps one simply needs to reach a certain "critical mass" when it comes to beginning to truly apreciate Naruse. Woman Ascending and Chrysanthemums were the first two films I saw -- and I liked them well enough but neither bowled me over. Ditto for Mother -- and then Floating Clouds. It was not until I finally saw Sound of the Mountain and Repast, that Naruse finally came into his own for me. Once this happened, all the films I saw earlier got massive upgrades when I next re-visited them.

I found that as much as I prized Sugimura's performance in Last Chrysanthemums (on earliest viewings), the film became even more impressive to me when I saw her as just first among equals -- and looked at her two old colleagues as equally essential to the film.

Supposedly Sugimura was the greatest _stage_ actress in Japan in her own time (and possibly ever). Her performance as Blanche DuBois in the 1953 Japanese premiere of Streetcar named desire is still the stuff of legend. She began playing somewhat "scary" characters in films right from the start -- viz. Shimazu's Lights of Asakusa back in 1937.
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#348 Post by sidehacker »

I'll re-watch the MoC films soon, for sure, and perhaps they now click as well.
For what it's worth, I liked Repast a lot more rewatching following viewings of the other two films in the trilogy, Tsuma and Fufu. Definitely top-tier Naruse for me. Ken Uehara is wonderful in all of these films.

I also love Last Chrysanthemums but then again, I absolutely love Sugimura too.
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Michael Kerpan wrote:Perhaps one simply needs to reach a certain "critical mass" when it comes to beginning to truly apreciate Naruse. Woman Ascending and Chrysanthemums were the first two films I saw -- and I liked them well enough but neither bowled me over. Ditto for Mother -- and then Floating Clouds. It was not until I finally saw Sound of the Mountain and Repast, that Naruse finally came into his own for me. Once this happened, all the films I saw earlier got massive upgrades when I next re-visited them.

I found that as much as I prized Sugimura's performance in Last Chrysanthemums (on earliest viewings), the film became even more impressive to me when I saw her as just first among equals -- and looked at her two old colleagues as equally essential to the film.

Supposedly Sugimura was the greatest _stage_ actress in Japan in her own time (and possibly ever). Her performance as Blanche DuBois in the 1953 Japanese premiere of Streetcar named desire is still the stuff of legend. She began playing somewhat "scary" characters in films right from the start -- viz. Shimazu's Lights of Asakusa back in 1937.
I found it relatively easy to appreciate Naruse. In fact his strength is in the sheer enjoyability of his films-- not challenging or self-conscious (or self-reflexive) in the least. They are reflective and subtle, and deal quite a bit in That Which Is Unspoken, but Japanese films were rarely as direct or manipulative in emotional terms as American films from this period anyway, simply by nature of the kind of resolution or catharsis that seemed to dominate the quality cinema of the 50's & 60's-- especially in terms of modern domestic tales. American films would tend to wrap up with a big emotional payoff, whereas Japanese films tend to resolve with a single figure swallowing their pain and committing to moving forward and managing their private aches.

Naruse was successful I think it is precisely owing to this easily processed and digestible style-- plus of course the popularity of the source text for so many of his films. Despite the differences in the emotional arcs between American & Japanese melodrama, Naruse was popular (moreso than Mizo, and probably Ozu though MK would probably know this better than I... versus Kurosawa in the 50's & early 60's I can't say, though obviously after Redbeard Naruse left AK in the dust) in the same way an American director like Ford was popular... or any highly skilled director with a deft yet mostly "invisible" style. I think a bit much is made of Naruse in 'arthouse' terms-- his alleged mystery etc-- the man simply knew where to put the camera, when to edit for psychological effect, and had the experience and confidence to shoot in a style which no doubt worked well in terms of budget.. using a single camera, not requiring scene-cast to even be present when opposing shots were constructed. The guy was a master craftsman of that wonderfully subtle variant of melodrama rendered in Japanese cinema that was so richly delicate, at least versus the dominant American style of popular melodrama.

..and Repast was an instant click for me. Wonderful film, and the looks on Hara's face (who could 'subtly indicate' better than her?) as she cycles thru her phases are just priceless!
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#350 Post by Michael Kerpan »

Well -- I was in the throes of new-found passionate Ozu love when I first encountered Naruse's films -- so this might explain why Naruse didn't fare as well as he deserved.

Naruse was the polar opposite of Kurosawa -- performance-wise -- he could always be counted on to finish a film on time and within (or below) the amount budgeted. FWIW -- supposedly, Naruse never let_anyone_ else peek at his shooting scripts.

I think Ozu and Naruse were about equally successful overall in the 50s -- though Floating Clouds was probably the biggest success by either (and was the Naruse film Ozu himself most admired). The most successful Japanese film makes of that decade seem to have been Tadashi Imai (whose work I mostly love) , followed by Keisuke Kinoshita (whose work I mostly _don't_ love). Jurosawa's popularity would have been roughly similar (on average) to Ozu and Naruse -- and considerably more than that of Mizoguchi.

Imai's Nigorie (Troubled Waters) is one of the best films of the decade -- and his Till We Meet Again is one of the most-loved. Most earlier American writers could never forgive Imai for being so much more popular than Kurosawa -- and they attributed his acclaim to a pro-Communist press's bias in favor of a Communist director....
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