Aloha (Cameron Crowe, 2015)

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#1 Post by **domino harvey** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:32 pm

Cameron Crowe's new movie sounds... uh... uh... uh...

Antoine Doinel · #2 Post by **Antoine Doinel** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:51 pm

Did I fall asleep and wake up on April 1st?

kaujot · #3 Post by **kaujot** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:08 pm

I cannot believe that's real.

dx23 · #4 Post by **dx23** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:05 pm

domino harvey wrote:Cameron Crowe's new movie sounds... uh... uh... uh...

That's the same plot as Saved By the Bell: Hawaiian Style.

#5 Post by **domino harvey** » Fri May 15, 2015 8:54 pm

I was shocked to discover via my local theatre's newsletter that this is actually coming out in two weeks. I thought it was a Christmas release? Also I've seen no advertising for this whatsoever, but I don't watch a lot of live TV so I may be missing the film's blitz campaign

The Fanciful Norwegian · Fri May 15, 2015 9:18 pm

I've seen some spots for it. Most make it look like the completely generic romcom it probably is, but I saw a different version on Comedy Central and if I didn't know any better I'd have assumed it was a Danny McBride vehicle.

The Narrator Returns · Tue May 26, 2015 11:00 pm

Emma Stone will be playing a Vietnamese-American named Allison Ng in this movie.

#8 Post by **domino harvey** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:06 pm

I for one can't wait to read the pearl-clutching think-pieces we'll have to endure for the next couple weeks til something else pisses off the internet self-righteous indignation brigade

knives · #9 Post by **knives** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:14 pm

Isn't that a bit excessively dismissive over a pretty big problem though. Whatever lamed parts of the Internet may react inappropriately to that doesn't lessen that this seems a pretty clear cut case of yellow face which the last time I checked was something people feel signifies racism.

Cold Bishop · #10 Post by **Cold Bishop** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:29 pm

But is it? Hawaii is the definition of a melting pot, and finding soneone of Vietnamese heritage who looks like an Emma Stone is really not out of the question. There's always the matter of whether an actual mixed race actor wouldn't be better, sure, but yellow-face is pretty strong a word until more info about the film is out there.

knives · #11 Post by **knives** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:33 pm

I have never met a full Vietnamese person who looks anything like Stone and I highly doubt you'll find any who do. I'd say it is definitely out of the question. Now of course this doesn't effect if the film is good (I'm really holding out hope if just because of the excellent cast), but to call casting clearly not any sort of Asian Emma Stone as a Vietnamese person is a very clear cut case of yellowface.

Cold Bishop · #12 Post by **Cold Bishop** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:37 pm

That's my point. Assuming a Hawaiian by the name of "Ng" is going to be full blooded Vietnamese is not necessarily an accurate snapshot of Hawaii today. It's very much a mix-blooded region, often to a highly ambigous degree.

#13 Post by **domino harvey** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:39 pm

Since this is embargoed til Thursday, there's no guarantee, but a commenter on IMDB says her character is only 1/4 native Hawaiian

knives · #14 Post by **knives** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:40 pm

Cold Bishop wrote:That's my point. Assuming a Hawaiian by the name of "Ng" is going to be full blooded Vietnamese is not necessarily an accurate snapshot of Hawaii today. It's very much a mix-blooded region, often to a highly ambigous degree.

Misunderstood you. Of course if the character is supposed to be only half Vietnamese that turns this into basically a non-issue.

thirtyframesasecond · Wed May 27, 2015 9:55 am

I think I'd be more likely offended by the fact it's a Cameron Crowe movie than Stone playing a Vietnamese girl.

colinr0380 · #16 Post by **colinr0380** » Wed May 27, 2015 11:26 am

That's because you have no joy and whimsy in your hardened heart thirtyframesasecond! Here, let me sit you down and force you to listen to Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini on a loop while I do an interpretative dance about it. Now where are my clogs?

djproject · #17 Post by **djproject** » Wed May 27, 2015 3:29 pm

While I can understand the objection, I honestly think the objection (the "all white" show and no native Hawaiians) is an overreaction. This is on the level of Spike Lee objecting to Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers for not having black soldiers in it. It's all about the story you are telling and where it's set and who is involved.

I mean shouldn't we retroactively call Punch-Drunk Love racist for the same reasons? (And yes, that word is overused to the point where it has lost meaning.)

Oedipax · #18 Post by **Oedipax** » Wed May 27, 2015 3:31 pm

djproject wrote:I mean shouldn't we retroactively call Punch-Drunk Love racist for the same reasons? (And yes, that word is overused to the point where it has lost meaning.)

What's Luis Guzman, chopped liver?

Edit: Oh you mean when they go to Hawaii? I don't think I get it. There were 'native' looking people there too, albeit probably more for the benefit of tourists. Which is a real thing that happens probably more often than a couple white people going to Hawaii for a few romantic days and meeting someone local who proceeds to exhibit a rich, three-dimensional character arc.

knives · #19 Post by **knives** » Wed May 27, 2015 5:40 pm

djproject wrote:While I can understand the objection, I honestly think the objection (the "all white" show and no native Hawaiians) is an overreaction. This is on the level of Spike Lee objecting to Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers for not having black soldiers in it. It's all about the story you are telling and where it's set and who is involved.

Did anyone here say that though?

#20 Post by **mfunk9786** » Wed May 27, 2015 10:47 pm

It's an absurd comparison to make between a white actor being cast in a role as a person of color (though it sounds like that's only rather mildly what's going on here and a certain race being left out of a story that's being told. I don't understand your point either, djproject, and I'm going to guess that I don't want to hear you elaborate on it, either.

djproject · #21 Post by **djproject** » Thu May 28, 2015 4:04 pm

My sincere apologies all around.

I did have something in mind but it was out of place and not fully formed.

#22 Post by **mfunk9786** » Thu May 28, 2015 5:42 pm

Cameron Crowe, after the release of [b]Aloha[/b] wrote:My sincere apologies all around.

I did have something in mind but it was out of place and not fully formed.

#23 Post by **swo17** » Thu May 28, 2015 6:00 pm

Did you know that aloha means both hello and goodbye? That's pretty deep man. So when someone tells you aloha on the internet, there is absolutely no way to gauge what they are saying to you.

Aloha.

See? You are all totally confused.

Also, did you know that Mahalo means thank you? The first time I went to Hawaii, I spent several days thinking that it was the name of the guy who ran the hotel I was staying at. This happened when I was an adult.

Luke M · #24 Post by **Luke M** » Thu May 28, 2015 7:30 pm

Early reviews are hammering this film. I thought the part about Emma Stone's character was a joke until I looked it up. Though I suspect there will be little backlash since the film will likely be a box office dud.

MoonlitKnight · #25 Post by **MoonlitKnight** » Fri May 29, 2015 1:45 pm

Crowe most likely peaked with "Almost Famous," but I still have a soft spot for his lightweight dramedy stylings, even if they're not what they used to be.

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