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Highway 61
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#201 Post by Highway 61 »

zedz wrote:EDIT: Actually, would a pre-pay / subscription model work for this? MoC could propose a list of potential titles, future purchasers could sign up for them and as soon as the subscription list for a given title reaches critical mass their credit cards are charged and the package goes into production. There would need to be some kind of exclusivity (e.g. MoC was world rights for these titles and gives an undertaking that no comparable cheap edition will be coming out within five years or something). Or you could use the music example and have the subscription version a seriously souped-up version of a regular release (e.g. The Mother and the Whore on Moc; The Complete Jean Eustache via MoC's Cochon-In-Muck-Pay-Through-the-Nose Subscription Service.
I just wanted to go on record for Nick that if MoC ever institutes a subscription model like this, I'll sign up the day you announce it.

Frankly, I'm baffled as to why Criterion and MoC haven't been doing this for years. But since it's hardly an original idea, they've clearly thought it over, crunched the numbers, and determined that it's not worth it. I remember, for instance, that when Eclipse first got rolling, Peter Becker said that they were contemplating a subscription program, which, obviously, never panned out.
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#202 Post by L'amiDeVS »

zedz wrote: There would need to be some kind of exclusivity (e.g. MoC was world rights for these titles
Eh, does MoC hold the world rights for any of it's titles? Maybe I'm wrong but I guess they don't (for instance all these Pialats have been released in France so I guess MoC bought up the rights for the UK, an the (re)mastering has been done by French companies already).

A bit off topic but I think this regional rights thing is not very good for rare (arthouse) films. I can understand movie companies want to protect their regional rights for new blockbuster films but the arthouse film market is pretty small, if not terribly small for some films so it makes little sense there at all. For instance Criterion releases "Paris, Texas" on Blu-ray soon , I would have bought that instantly but it's not meant for my region (B) so it doesn't play in my Blu-ray player. So I don't buy it. I'd almost hope for some big company to take over all these small arthouse labels so they can buy up all the rights and release all their films "all region" so the film fans can just buy it without any hassle and get what they are after: seeing the movie. *sigh*
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#203 Post by Mozart »

L'amiDeVS wrote:So I don't buy it. I'd almost hope for some big company to take over all these small arthouse labels so they can buy up all the rights and release all their films "all region"
Studio Canal kinda does this with better known arthouse pictures with it's Studio Canal Collection: Releasing the same Blu-ray in France, Germany, UK and US.
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#204 Post by kekid »

Mozart wrote:
L'amiDeVS wrote:So I don't buy it. I'd almost hope for some big company to take over all these small arthouse labels so they can buy up all the rights and release all their films "all region"
Studio Canal kinda does this with better known arthouse pictures with it's Studio Canal Collection: Releasing the same Blu-ray in France, Germany, UK and US.
I am not sure it would serve the admittedly small market of arthouse films well if arthouse films got centralized with big companies. These films do not show up on the priority list of big companies when they own them. Warner is sitting on various Visconties and Antonionies, and I am not sure if they would issue them on Blu Ray any time soon. I would support small committed organizations such as Criterion and MoC any day instead of corporate giants. Anyoneone who wants access to all their DVD's and Blu Rays can have it by making a one-time investment in a region-free player.
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#205 Post by L'amiDeVS »

IMO a region free player is a stop-gap measure and it's a bit in a grey area as far as legality is concerned (I think even Oppo hasn't made their Blu-ray player region free). Music, books, paintings and most other art forms don't have these regional restrictions (in practice), sadly films (for home viewing) often do. Well hopefully the arthouse labels (and arthouse divisions of big companies) can cooperate more so so Blu-rays of 1 film will be available in all regions (and also save on (re)mastering costs etc.)

Back on topic: I do think the move to Blu-ray is a good thing for MoC, and in general: better image quality, no 4% PAL speedup etc. I'm waiting for the "La Planète Sauvage" to pop up on Amazon or Play so I can pre-order it :) (And if they ever should release Melville's "Le Samouraï" I'll order 2 copies (wishful thinking here)
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#206 Post by MichaelB »

L'amiDeVS wrote:I'd almost hope for some big company to take over all these small arthouse labels so they can buy up all the rights and release all their films "all region" so the film fans can just buy it without any hassle and get what they are after: seeing the movie. *sigh*
But if there's something wrong with the subsequent release, the problems will be replicated across the board - there'd be no chance of a superior rival edition riding to the rescue in another territory. Just look at the Studio Canal catalogue for several examples - most notoriously The Deer Hunter with its unnecessary 4% speedup being released in numerous territories, or Ran with its widely reported transfer problems.

Do you really think a giant organisation like Studio Canal or a Hollywood major would do as conscientious a job as MoC, the BFI, Second Run and other smaller publishers whose staff really do care about the quality of their releases and go the extra mile?
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#207 Post by hangman »

L'amiDeVS wrote:IMO a region free player is a stop-gap measure and it's a bit in a grey area as far as legality is concerned (I think even Oppo hasn't made their Blu-ray player region free). Music, books, paintings and most other art forms don't have these regional restrictions (in practice), sadly films (for home viewing) often do. Well hopefully the arthouse labels (and arthouse divisions of big companies) can cooperate more so so Blu-rays of 1 film will be available in all regions (and also save on (re)mastering costs etc.)
Adding to what MichealB already pointed out you also have to take into account how big companies as of late have been treating their older films that would fall into the art house category or niche appeal. Even if they have the capital so to speak its not in their pipelines and have otherwise been dumped on burn-on-demand, simply put its wishful thinking that big companies would suddenly change heart and be conscientious about their releases.

Though on another topic, which was started by perpee, it is also an opportunity for other labels like MoC or Criterion to snatch up titles from bigger companies given that the transition to Blu-ray generally focuses on a) big title movies that they've released in 'new restored' or 'definitive edition X' or b) new titles. While Blu is a possibility for some of those titles given proper restoration chances are DVD versions would be apt with the titles that would entail really high costs for a HD resto.
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#208 Post by peerpee »

The big companies are used to big returns and they're throwing everything they've got at that. Smaller/catalogue titles aren't on their radar at all -- but they should be, and could be.

There needs to be a deep love for the more 'niche' films to want to bring them out in lovely editions. Warners and Fox did wonders for their longterm reputations by being the main studios who treated their back catalogue to lovely editions. I'm sure they could continue to do this if they got a few multitaskers onboard.

For 5/6 years the MoC Series had only 2 fulltime production staff, now it has 3, and we've put out over 100 films. We have to pay minimum guarantees upfront, the studios don't have those costs, as they own their own films.
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#209 Post by TheGodfather »

peerpee wrote: (although we are doing dual for M and METROPOLIS).
Is there any word already on when we`re gonna see the blu-ray release of the new Metropolis version? or is it still too early for that?
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#210 Post by swo17 »

I believe they said a while ago that it would be around Christmas of 2010, though who knows if that's still on track.
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#211 Post by NilbogSavant »

The new restoration premieres February 12th so I think an end of the year release still sounds possible.
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#212 Post by eerik »

Nick, how many Blu-ray's are you planning to release in 2010? Will we reach spine #025 by the end of the year or am I too optimistic?
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#213 Post by peerpee »

We're flying by the seat of our pants. We have no idea exactly what we're releasing in the Summer, let alone later this year, we just know we have about 15-20 titles lined up that need lots of work. So we're taking them one at a time and going as fast as we can.
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#214 Post by TheGodfather »

swo17 wrote:I believe they said a while ago that it would be around Christmas of 2010, though who knows if that's still on track.
NilbogSavant wrote:The new restoration premieres February 12th so I think an end of the year release still sounds possible.
Ok thanks. End of the year can`t come soon enough in that respect...
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#215 Post by peerpee »

MoC METROPOLIS BD will be released before Xmas. We're coordinating with the other major licencees (Kino, MK2) etc for a simultaneous release -- and it's looking like sometime in October or November.

At this stage, our BD will be Region B.
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#216 Post by TheGodfather »

Thanks for the info!
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#217 Post by TMDaines »

:D

Are you planning on just porting the extras from the previous release or will there be a few more treats included?
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#218 Post by peerpee »

The old extras are out of date now and the old commentary is too short. We're not really planning on carrying any of it over.
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#219 Post by agnamaracs »

You know what would be perfect for a Blu-only release? Abel Gance's NAPOLEON.
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#220 Post by jbaart »

peerpee wrote:The old extras are out of date now and the old commentary is too short. We're not really planning on carrying any of it over.
Thanks, that's good to know. Anyone interested in this probably owns the old release anyways so carrying over extras would just mean less space for new stuff. Are you interested in including the Arte documentary shown after the film or a similar restoration related one. Actually, I'd prefer another one as the one shown on Arte had its lengths and not that much actual content.
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#221 Post by perkizitore »

Are you going to make your old DVD OOP now, in anticipation of the new release?
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#222 Post by peerpee »

It will go OOP prior to the new release, yes.
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#223 Post by merch »

I'm a little late to the thread, but just read through it all. I appreciate the heads up and keeping buyers posted. If you could definitively say that, going forward, all titles would be Blu-ray OR DVD, I would be more inclined to buy a few DVDs here and there. As it is, my MoC and Criterion purchasing is limited to BD-only (I have all of them put out by each company). I wish Criterion would be as forthcoming, because I'm falling behind on releases that are DVD-only, since I'm afraid of an eventual double-dip on Blu-ray.

I would also like to say that, if the marketplace and/or your customer base ever get to the point that it makes financial sense to leave DVD behind entirely, I would prefer to have ANY release in BD. Whether the restoration allows for a pristine presentation or not, I'd prefer to have the best release possible. As long as it's a film, it should benefit from an increased resolution and bitrate.

Also, as an OCD collector, I'd like to thank you for restarting the spine numbers for BD. Criterion really dropped the ball on that one.
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#224 Post by peerpee »

Good to know there are other folk as OCD as we are! -- It's also good to hear support for the Blu-ray move. The last ten or so complaints about it, have been from people who think this is some new-fangled VHS vs Betamax con, and they go on to admit to not having even seen a Blu-ray.
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#225 Post by aox »

merch wrote: I'd like to thank you for restarting the spine numbers for BD. Criterion really dropped the ball on that one.
Yeah, I'm still not sure how I feel about that. The (inevitable) loss of rights to certain films has certainly made me start leaning your way.
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