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lubitsch wrote:We indeed shouldn't dig to deep in this thread for individual films, otherwise it gets a collection of random snippets, but I'd like nevertheless to put Fellini at least in a rather agnostic position. La Dolce Vita shows a decaying world with aimless characters and searching for meaning. It may in itself not be doing any religious propaganda and being fairly ambiguous, but it certainly doesn't attack religion in any way or argues against it. Starting with the flying Jesus statue as an ironic sign, showing the hunger for a miracle of the crowd and ending with a angelic girl and a dead fish (!) on the beach which begs to be interpreted as a sign for chritianity ... all this adds up to the sceptic portrayal of a world lacking a god. It may be unhappiness about the fact that there is no god or about the fact that the humans have lost contact with him. But the film at least opens up many possibilities for a reading sympathetic to religious values.
Thinking more about it last night. The religious perspective of the film can certainly work - the Trevi "baptism", the dead fish, Paola the "Umbrian" angel and so on. If I remember correctly, Fellini said the dead fish is merely a dead fish, like tons of dead fish washed ashore everyday and that there is nothing particularly unique about that. And what he said about the final sequence:

“That’s not the way it comes out,” Samuels objected. “Marcello looks like someone wallowing in trouble. Think of that scene in which he sees an angelic girl . . . “

“That is a result of the myth produced by a Catholic upbringing,” Fellini replied. “A wish for some purity, something morally complete and angelic -- stamped at the bottom of our minds and leaving us with a nostalgia for something rarified.”

“If he could attain that would he be better off?”

“No,” said Fellini, “he likes la dolce vita, [finds it] very fascinating.”

“At the end he makes a gesture of resignation.”

“No, he says, ‘I don’t hear. I don’t understand.’ It could also be considered a bantering gesture: ‘I don’t hear you because I don’t want to hear you.’” (Fellini, A Life, Hollis Alpert, Antheneum, 1986, p. 151.)


Very interesting. I think I understand what he meant by being "stamped" by a Catholic upbringing. I was brought up in an Italian family who followed Catholicism but I no longer follow Catholicism. But I'm still culturally Catholic unfortunately. It's impossible to erase that. Even every Lent time, the forbidden to eat meats has way cemented in my consciousness and I still remember it on every Ash Wednesday. During my recent trip to Italy, I visited the Vatican. The art and history of St. Peters completely shredded me and I wept as I walked through the church. It was really that powerful but at the same time, my stomach was all knotted up in disgust as I have feelings about my family religion, the Pope and all already cemented - the abyssal hatred for its biblical hypocrisy and its burying of the world-spread sexual abuse under its black marble floor. I think Fellini had the same disgust but couldn't help being "stamped".

I wish I could move this discussion to the La dolce vita thread I created recently.
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It seems to me that canonical favorites are only susceptible to displacement by a broad-based theoretical attack (such as that by the French New Wave critics on the cinema of quality war horses). And even then, I wonder if truly well-loved (by lots of folk) films can be dislodged.
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Michael Kerpan wrote:It seems to me that canonical favorites are only susceptible to displacement by a broad-based theoretical attack (such as that by the French New Wave critics on the cinema of quality war horses). And even then, I wonder if truly well-loved (by lots of folk) films can be dislodged.
Compared with the rants of the Nouvelle Vague critics which are simple-minded attacks on everything not made by an auteur, the blog post referenced here is a masterpiece of critical analysis. They swan along on a wave that was forming in many countries throughout the western world and while the 60s revolts are often put in perspective in many areas of society, in film studies they are still feted as a break of old, sterile traditions. They were that, it's true, but also at the same time an insular cinema for minorities full of self-importance.
As for well-loved films, it doesn't hurt to know the weaknesses of one's favourites. My favourite film is Out of the Past, but I'd be hard pressed to defend its plot convolutions in the last quarter against vocal critics. Unfortunately often fans and scholars alike are blind apolegetes of the filmmakers they are supporting.
And often films are lauded by people who don't like them at all. Metropolis is an especially funny example, I heard some grandiose speeches about this being a masterpiece when the new restoration was out, but in private conversation most people thought it a terribly silly film. I've seen quite often how a student makes a paper about a certain film, talks about it, analyses it, praises this or that and when the session is over and they left the seminar room, the people return to normalcy and tell you that the film is utter s***. Peer pressure is quite a factor in art studies.
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lubitsch wrote: Compared with the rants of the Nouvelle Vague critics which are simple-minded attacks on everything not made by an auteur, the blog post referenced here is a masterpiece of critical analysis.
Not sure that comments like this leave much room for fruitful (or enjoyable) discussion.
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lubitsch wrote:But there is one point that should be made and that's the influence of TV, video tape, DVD and now Blu-Ray. Each time one of these new mediums is introduced it starts with a selection of the titles most in demand. Obviously mostly the current films, but also older films which are culled together from the classic film pantheon. The first big DVDs were things like The Third Man, Seven Samurai, Frank Capra and so on and on. So each new media tends to reinforce this canon of established masterpieces which are studied more closely in the literature and among film makers.
This might sound more insidious if you hadn't just said that the canon being reinforced is simply those movies most in demand to begin with. If the canon is being decided by viewer demand, what is there to complain about?

Plus the fact that these canonical films are continually being released means people are continually seeing them and reevaluating them instead of simply accepting their status and moving on.
lubitsch wrote:My point is that the film canon freezes into a solid pantheon with very little movement up and down by now. And this has undoubtedly some effects on e.g. film schools, universities, TV programmers, writers of film literature and so on, it's a spiral pushing the strong more and more to the fore and the weak back, so that you begin to sound like somebody who's merely craving for attention if you take a few pot shots at established masterpieces. This may very well be the case and the writer of the blog post referenced here may have been ill adivised to fire off such a broad attack, but I think the problems behind film canons are far too less discussed.
Personally, I think the "problems behind canons" are mostly the invention of iconoclasts or, as Kerpan noted, theoretical and ideological viewers, or people whose taste happens to be at variance with it. The tropes that tend to get used by people against the canon are either ones of freezing, or stagnation, or solidification--pretty much anything involving non-movement. The problem with such tropes is that they imply something pernicious, which I'll get to later. A canon is a standard, it is something by which other things are tested or discriminated. The film canon is not a solidified and numerical "best films" list, it is a collection of films that are generally accepted to have reached a particular level of excellence and against which other films are judged in order to better understand their merit. The thing about canons that their detractors never realize is that they are always in a state of comparison, with each other and with possible new claimants. To wish them away is to wish standards themselves away, and indeed this is often the thing you get. A lot of people have the strange idea that states of constant flux are more trustworthy than states of periodic flux or states without flux. They seem to mistrust anything which appears to resist flux and to stand steady, and associate them with negative tropes like freezing or stagnation, ect, as tho' change were "the good" and anything resisting that is not doing its duty. The assumption is that everything is relative, and everything which is not relative, canons and so forth, should be made relative, which means essentially that standards ought to be abolished in favour of a change so constant it is better called chaos. This seems especially delightful to people with a particular ideological bent, who can now freely teach everyone about their particular cultural niche without having to bother about whether any of these cultural products are any good. Once standards are gone no one has to see anything. No movie by Kurosawa, or Antonioni, or Godard, or Lang, or Fuller, or whomever is better than any other movie, stuff like The Dark Knight included. Indeed, one is then more likely to be taught The Dark Knight than any of the former (which is probably already happening).

What has been gained? People who want to discover overlooked films essentially want a canon that they can put those films in and have them seen. Paradoxically, they tend to go about this by attacking the idea of canons under the misapprehension that if the canon were to go away they'd have a better chance. But they actually have less of a chance since A. their overlooked film no longer has a standard to be judged by, even favourably. B. No one has to see these films, and whether or not they're among the best that's been made is an irrelevant category. You're better off having an ideological, social, or political reason for having people watch them than the idea that they're just 'good.' Canons do not prevent overlooked films from being noticed; they are not an active power structure trying to hold the little guy's head under water. That's absurd. Canons are there so that one can gain a good understanding of the best that's ever been made--as far as general consensus goes--and use their judgment accordingly. A good example of this is Mauritz Stiller (who is most certainly on his way to canonization). He has been rediscovered thanks to DVD, and this is in large part because we are able to compare him to the current silent film canon and see how well and truly he fits in their company. Ignoring the canon would make it difficult to get people to bother with Stiller. Certainly Sir Arne's Treasure benefits enormously from being compared with Dr. Caligari, made the same year. The standards of the canon let you see how good he truly is and to explain said greatness to someone else. Without that, you cannot explain his greatness, just why he happens to fit your taste.

My last point: canons are not as staid as people would have you believe (that one is more an assumption than a real observation). Film is still a very young medium, and sometimes it takes a whole age to pass and a new sensibility to arise before there are any adjustments. Citizen Kane has only been at the top of the canon for, what, fifty, sixty years? Did not Battleship Potemkin hold that spot at one point (at least in the cahier du cinema poll or whatever)? There hasn't been a ton of change, but then there hasn't been much time. If you'd like to look at literature canons for a moment you'll see that canonization is not amaranthine. In the 18th century there was no more renowned, loved, read, and canonized work than Edward Young's Night Thoughts (1742-5), a book length poem on dreams. It was popular enough for Samuel Johnson, the critic of his age, to remark: "...for those who have read the Night Thoughts, and who has not read them?" The work had entered the canon and spent probably a good 50 or 60 years there. Ever heard of it? No. No one besides scholars knows this work let alone reads it (it's boring and dated). No one decided to remove it from the canon; there was no choice, no metaphysical hand that chipped away the stone edifice on which it was carved. People just stopped being interested in reading it. Writers stopped finding it a source of influence. And so it left. Film is young yet, there will be changes to the canon, because standards cannot help but shift ever so slightly with the flow of taste and sensibility. But standards cannot be erased, and nor should they. They are necessary and helpful and I don't see how there could be culture without them.
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Canons are fine -- if they are recognized as starting points -- and not ending points.

I think they are more valuable when viewed as a set of useful benchmarks and NOT a definitive "best of" list.
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Michael Kerpan wrote:Canons are fine -- if they are recognized as starting points -- and not ending points.

I think they are more valuable when viewed as a set of useful benchmarks and NOT a definitive "best of" list.
=D>

While he was on the subject of Spielberg, he should have noted Saving Private Ryan.
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Michael Kerpan wrote:
lubitsch wrote: Compared with the rants of the Nouvelle Vague critics which are simple-minded attacks on everything not made by an auteur, the blog post referenced here is a masterpiece of critical analysis.
Not sure that comments like this leave much room for fruitful (or enjoyable) discussion.
Just flip through the critical comments by Godard, Truffaut and buddies. Read them when they tackle Clement, Autant-Lara, Delannoy and others. It almost fulfills the criteria of hate speech, but certainly it's no real discussing the films in question instead pure ideology. No comment is too low, no argument too cheap not to be hurled at the men who kept the French film industry running.
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lubitsch wrote:But there is one point that should be made and that's the influence of TV, video tape, DVD and now Blu-Ray. Each time one of these new mediums is introduced it starts with a selection of the titles most in demand. Obviously mostly the current films, but also older films which are culled together from the classic film pantheon. The first big DVDs were things like The Third Man, Seven Samurai, Frank Capra and so on and on. So each new media tends to reinforce this canon of established masterpieces which are studied more closely in the literature and among film makers.
This might sound more insidious if you hadn't just said that the canon being reinforced is simply those movies most in demand to begin with. If the canon is being decided by viewer demand, what is there to complain about?
Plus the fact that these canonical films are continually being released means people are continually seeing them and reevaluating them instead of simply accepting their status and moving on.

My last point: canons are not as staid as people would have you believe (that one is more an assumption than a real observation). Film is still a very young medium, and sometimes it takes a whole age to pass and a new sensibility to arise before there are any adjustments. Citizen Kane has only been at the top of the canon for, what, fifty, sixty years? Did not Battleship Potemkin hold that spot at one point (at least in the cahier du cinema poll or whatever)? There hasn't been a ton of change, but then there hasn't been much time. If you'd like to look at literature canons for a moment you'll see that canonization is not amaranthine. In the 18th century there was no more renowned, loved, read, and canonized work than Edward Young's Night Thoughts (1742-5), a book length poem on dreams. It was popular enough for Samuel Johnson, the critic of his age, to remark: "...for those who have read the Night Thoughts, and who has not read them?" The work had entered the canon and spent probably a good 50 or 60 years there. Ever heard of it? No. No one besides scholars knows this work let alone reads it (it's boring and dated). No one decided to remove it from the canon; there was no choice, no metaphysical hand that chipped away the stone edifice on which it was carved. People just stopped being interested in reading it. Writers stopped finding it a source of influence. And so it left. Film is young yet, there will be changes to the canon, because standards cannot help but shift ever so slightly with the flow of taste and sensibility. But standards cannot be erased, and nor should they. They are necessary and helpful and I don't see how there could be culture without them.
Yes, I should have been more precise. Older films are obviously very much removed from today's cultural surroundings and have to be mediated. So how do you chose as a DVD producer what could be commercially viable? You take the stuff that was successful some time ago or in the previous medium. As time progresses the big films freeze the small films into submission.
I know there are exceptions as you pointed out and you're right, but once a film has gained a certain amount of support it has come to stay. I think modern media increases the power of a film once it is being established far more than earlier film histories and occassional screenings could do. The quick succession of video tape, DVD and Blu-ray means that canionical films are thrown at least three times at customers ias masterpieces in roughly 30 years of time. That's something different than having a book hundred years ago which gets out of print if it isn't of interest anymore and loses its readers and fanbase.
Small, unknown films start from the position of being small and unknown and biggies like Birth of a Nation keep clinging to their status merely due to the sheer amount of exposure they get as being labeled important.
Now if this sounds as if I were against canons, then the exact opposite is the case, sorry that you had to argue about two long paragraphs for them when in fact I agree with you on this point. I love them, we need them and they could in fact be very reliable "best of"-lists. The problem is however that there's no really good system how to bring more fluxus into the canon, meaning higher exposure of unknown films among a broader circle of film fans and a readiness to question established films.
I think in our modern society with all its possibilities all films would be widely available due to all the different interests and each interesting film would get a considerable amount of discussion. Instead I see dozens of books about Hitchcock and most filmographies of non-English language countries being locked into their cultural surroundings because there are not even subs for them.
Michael Kerpan wrote:Canons are fine -- if they are recognized as starting points -- and not ending points.
I think they are more valuable when viewed as a set of useful benchmarks and NOT a definitive "best of" list.
The first sentence sounds good, but it only shifts the problem because it still leaves open the question why these films must be the starting points. There's a lot to be said for illustrating montage via the far less popular La Roue instead of the perennial Potemkin and for using films from Regeneration to Menschen am Sonntag when discussing realism instead of putting the far more popular films by Rossellini and De Sica to the fore.
As for the second I think it is very much possible to establish a reasonable top list of the best films because films have relatively objective weaknesses and strengths even though the same aspect may be great artistry for one person and unbearable tripe for another person. But few would argue that Juno and the Paycock is better than Vertigo, The Stranger better than Citizen Kane or Ship to Indialand better than Wild Strawberries.
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> But few would argue that Juno and the Paycock is better than Vertigo, The Stranger better
> than Citizen Kane or Ship to Indialand better than Wild Strawberries.

But one can't argue "objectively" that Seventh Seal is better or worse than Wild Strawberries or than Persona. Or that Ugetsu is better than Crucified Lovers or Sansho. Standard "best list" canons enshrine one or two works per great director -- and treat these essentially arbitrary picks as if these were, in fact, the best of the director's works.

That's why I prefer that such lists be used as benchmarks -- or guideposts.
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Michael Kerpan wrote:
lubitsch wrote: Compared with the rants of the Nouvelle Vague critics which are simple-minded attacks on everything not made by an auteur, the blog post referenced here is a masterpiece of critical analysis.
Not sure that comments like this leave much room for fruitful (or enjoyable) discussion.
It's not even accurate. They loved auteurs, but you'll find them calling any director who makes a film they like an instant auteur and they'll turn just as quickly and bite their hands if they object to a beloved director's films-- their relationship with directors was far more complex than the oft-repeated maxims about auteurism would suggest
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lubitsch wrote:I know there are exceptions as you pointed out and you're right, but once a film has gained a certain amount of support it has come to stay. I think modern media increases the power of a film once it is being established far more than earlier film histories and occassional screenings could do. The quick succession of video tape, DVD and Blu-ray means that canionical films are thrown at least three times at customers ias masterpieces in roughly 30 years of time. That's something different than having a book hundred years ago which gets out of print if it isn't of interest anymore and loses its readers and fanbase.
I'm afraid you're not doing much to distinguish between what is classic and what is canonical. But never mind that. Why certain films get released on DVD and when is due to a lot of circumstances. The African Queen was just released this year, and Matt once suggested that its long absence from DVD affected its once sure standing in lists like AFI's top 100. Then again, King Kong wasn't on DVD for a long time and I don't remember its reputation diminishing. Both Greed and Napoleon (to say nothing of stuff like Vidor's The Big Parade and The Crowd) have yet to make it to DVD where stuff like Stiller's films have. I don't know if their reputations have taken a hit--probably not. Honestly, I'm not sure if this quick succession of media has done much to influence the canon. I do know that reputation spread by word of mouth has more to do with it than anything else, media releases included.
lubitsch wrote:Yes, I should have been more precise. Older films are obviously very much removed from today's cultural surroundings and have to be mediated. So how do you chose as a DVD producer what could be commercially viable? You take the stuff that was successful some time ago or in the previous medium. As time progresses the big films freeze the small films into submission.
I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by "big" and "small" in this case. It sounds almost like you're making film a schoolyard and the canon a bunch of bullies who won't let the smaller, younger kids join the group. If anything, DVD has done more for overlooked films and directors than any other medium. The Wild Bunch has always been Peckinpah's canonical film, but I think Criterion's DVD release of Straw Dogs--especially with Stephen Prince's commentary--has done a lot to raise critical awareness of that film and rehabilitate its reputation. Kino's Mauritz Stiller releases have done the director's reputation a major service. So while he is not yet as well known as a Murnau or an Eisenstein, this has more to do with the fickleness and arbitrariness of reputation than it does a stranglehold by media companies/canons.

I, too, like to see very good overlooked films get some attention, but I don't think there is any conspiratorial reason why they don't or an ethical reason why they should. It is usually arbitrary, and popularity is difficult to explain anyway.
lubitsch wrote:There's a lot to be said for illustrating montage via the far less popular La Roue instead of the perennial Potemkin and for using films from Regeneration to Menschen am Sonntag when discussing realism instead of putting the far more popular films by Rossellini and De Sica to the fore.
Is there? I don't think it makes much of a difference (watching Potemkin cannot be counted a negative), except that when someone chooses Potemkin they're not doing it specifically at the expense of La Roue, whereas anyone choosing La Roue is deliberately doing it at the expense of Potemkin, and I don't think that is healthy.
lubitsch wrote:Now if this sounds as if I were against canons, then the exact opposite is the case, sorry that you had to argue about two long paragraphs for them when in fact I agree with you on this point.
Hah! Well I'm equally sorry to have made you read it. I can be awfully long winded.
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lubitsch wrote:The problem is however that there's no really good system how to bring more fluxus into the canon, meaning higher exposure of unknown films among a broader circle of film fans and a readiness to question established films.
Well, the best system is to provide reasoned critical engagement with neglected films (even in forums like this) and spread the word on a grass roots basis. I think this is a process that can only really work as a positive one. Trying to topple canonised films off their pedestal for the sake of making room for something else seems to me like a waste of effort - it just draws more attention to the pedestal. And the idea that there's a fixed number of spaces in the canon and thus something has to take a dive in order for something else to have its day in the sun is as specious as assuming that Criterion released The Curious Case of Benjamin Button in place of a Satyajit Ray box set.

The DVD era actually presents some really interesting challenges and opportunities for the cinematic canon. I think the assumption that DVD availability has reinforced the canon is unproven and possibly completely incorrect. The world cinema canon as we largely know it today was formed - in the 60s, 70s and 80s - in an era when a large proportion of the films canonised were not readily available for average cinephiles to evaluate or re-evaluate, and reputations were perpetuated often in the absence of opportunities to see the works in question.

Today, the average cinephile has access to much more of cinema's heritage than before, including a very large number of great non-canonical films, and talking up or talking down films can happen a lot more freely.

In terms of our local window on the 'canon in flux', the Lists Project, we can see quite a lot of dynamic movement between iterations of particular decade lists. Though it's going to be a while before many local enthusiasms trickle out into the cinephile world at large, if they ever do, this kind of word-of-mouth activism is how canons evolve (and they do evolve - look no further than the centrality of Rene Clair to any and all mid-century cinema canons and compare it to his present marginality). And, interestingly enough, this local version of the canon is becoming increasingly free from the tyranny of commercial availability, as witnessed by the extraordinarily strong showing in the 90s list of A Brighter Summer Day, a film never released on DVD and rarely screened. That's a very specific and idiosyncratic example, but it's a film which has also been aggressively promoted in other areas, by other cinephiles.

Twenty-five years ago, Naruse would have been an unlikely inclusion on most lists of great Japanese cinema; today his exclusion would be unthinkable. Go back forty years and you could say the same for Ozu. Twenty years hence, we might be looking fondly back at a time when people had never heard of Mitsuo Yanagimachi, or Susumi Hani, or somebody none of us even suspects.

You also need to question whether it's really a bad thing for there to be a high level of inertia surrounding the canon. On the contrary, I'd argue that a canon is precisely the kind of environment where a certain amount of inertia is highly desirable and inevitable. Once it's been determined - by whatever mysterious consensual means - that a certain work has value, why would that value go anywhere? If it takes a preponderance of critical disapprobation or revisionism to dislodge a canonical film, why should that be seen as negative? That's what the canon is for: to provide a stable reference point for value in the artform. If it's highly unstable, it's not much of a canon.

I heartily endorse Mr Sausage's and Michael Kerpan's contributions. Genuine cinephiles will always consider the canon as a starting point (why would you want to limit yourself - even if you could ascertain exactly what was in and what was out of the canon in the first place?), and they're always going to question the value of films, not just take their reputations at face value. The practice of blindly and passively consuming lists of 'Great Films' seems to me more like autism than cinephilia.
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"South Pacific and All That Jazz both make Singin' in the Rain look like the empty spectacle it is."

No!
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(As an aside, is there a Best Worst Films Ever Made thread? This could be My Legacy. Glen Or Glenda, people! Surrealistic masterwork disguised as trash.)
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Oh, I do love me some Ed Wood, but that's no disguise...
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"On the Waterfront is a masterclass in ham acting"....

I'm glad i'm not the only one ;)
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HistoryProf wrote:"On the Waterfront is a masterclass in ham acting"....

I'm glad i'm not the only one ;)
You're a ham actor too?
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