Forthcoming Lists Discussion and Random Speculation Vol. 4

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Gregory
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#776 Post by Gregory »

HerrSchreck wrote:Re LETTER: I've had that restoration on a private PAL dvd for about 5 years now, with beautiful english subtitles. I was very happy to see it come out though.
Right, so that would fall under my (a), already having lots of good discs of things, not having narrow tastes. Oh well, as long as someone appreciated my dick joke, I can happily bow out of the discussion.
And yes, WTF did happen to WCF?
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#777 Post by Jeff »

zedz wrote:. . . which would have tied in nicely with the upgrade of Down by Law.
Indeed! Five Robby Müller-lensed films in one month. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the Spalding Grey stuff and the Stillmans haven't been sitting on the back burner and got bumped up the last two months to fill the void.
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#778 Post by Zot! »

But Criterion always was the "prestige" label for foreign and domestic releases. The ones everybody hears about, or from known directors. Their ability to release obscurities took a jump with the eclipse line, but even something like Brakhage is THE foremost name in experimental film. It was always other labels Kino, New Yorker, etc. with the more obscure titles. And with the proliferation of the internet making it possible to "find" almost anything, I'm sure Criterion will continue to pump out the Godards and Kurosawas and Bergmans like they always have. I'm not really complaining though, as I think they're popular for good reason, and Blu-Ray gives me an new excuse to revisit.
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#779 Post by swo17 »

2012 Criterion releases from my personal top 10 of films that I am dying for them to release: 0
2012 Criterion releases that I've been reasonably excited for: maybe 10
2012 Criterion releases I will end up buying: probably at least half of them

Business as usual.
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#780 Post by MyNameCriterionForum »

Pfft, the only way any of you girls can get Criterion to do want you want is to graduate from Oberlin, hang out with David Mamet and Brian Williams's daughters, be a Mayflower descendent and act like you're the first person to discover sex. Otherwise, you're shit out of luck, "message-board-posters-of-a-generation". FACT.
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#781 Post by movielocke »

SpiderBaby wrote:I would like to know if someone has made an updated pie-like chart with Criterion releases by Country.
I haven't made such a chart, but roughly (and not including eclipse):

United States: 31%
France: 21%
Japan: 12%
United Kingdom: 10%
Italy: 8%
Sweden: 4%
Germany: 3%
Denmark: 1.5%
Soviet Union: 1%

All others, Less than 1%

1% is equal to about 6 titles, btw.
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#782 Post by ellipsis7 »

The Japan percentage would leap if you threw in Eclipse...
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#783 Post by colinr0380 »

It is an underwhelming month (but I am glad to see Le Harve and that it gets a nice bundle of extra features, though the issue is how many of these were actually Criterion-produced) but I'm glad to get the Gremillons!
Jeff wrote:I'm wondering how many people here actually bought Letter Never Sent. Or what about stuff like Before the Rain or the Raffaello Matarazzo Eclipse set. If the answer isn't "a lot of us," it's probably not reasonable to expect them to go for deep cuts and untrod countries more frequently.
*raises hand* - although it would help if when Criterion did branch out into these areas that unexpected problems did not come up, such as the aspect ratio problems in Before The Rain, things which might push people curious about the film away from blind-buying.
MyNameCriterionForum wrote:Pfft, the only way any of you girls can get Criterion to do want you want is to graduate from Oberlin, hang out with David Mamet and Brian Williams's daughters, be a Mayflower descendent and act like you're the first person to discover sex. Otherwise, you're shit out of luck, "message-board-posters-of-a-generation". FACT.
I've already tried that. Here is my story:

I walk into Criterion's office, tossing my flowing blonde locks back for effect (though I am a little wobbly on the high heels still) and go directly to Criterion's desk, leaning across it in a sultry manner in the casual manner of a noir heroine, though as my pleas become more desperate I try to act more like Michelle Pfeiffer in The Fabulous Baker Boys (Criterion tries to politely ignore the ominous creaking and straining of the desk under the weight)

"Say", I say, "have you ever thought about releasing any (pause for dramatic effect) Chico Ejiro? Would you perhaps do it..(pouts slightly, looking at Criterion with saucer-shaped watery eyes)..for me?"

Unfortunately I then put out a hand to steady myself onto a pile of papers of Criterion's release schedule for balance, only for them to slip and fly everywhere whilst I tumble head over heels backwards behind the desk, taking a desk lamp with me in a tangle of wires and electric sparks and landing face-first in a graceful heap of tangled arms and legs with a crunch onto the just-polished hardwood floor.

I tried to clear up as best as I could but then unfortunately that fire occurred and Wim Wenders just happened to walk into the office as I was trying to set the extinguisher off, leading to his accidental (yet temporary, he'll be fine I'm sure) blinding. In all of the commotion I had to abandon being helpful, lock Mr Wenders into the Criterion closet (it is soundproofed so nobody will be troubled by his screaming in there) and escape from the office down a fire escape (which is darn-near impossible to do in a mini-skirt, let me tell you).

And that, my friends, is why Criterion's release schedule missed a month. I'm sure that when they clean up after the fire, reorder their paperwork and find Mr Wenders in order to flush his eyes out, that everything will be back to normal.
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#784 Post by What A Disgrace »

Not long after Criterion releases a great big Blu-ray set of Glauber Rocha's trilogy, someone is going to be very disappointed that Criterion has once again ignored Argentine, African or Hungarian cinema.
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#785 Post by JPJ »

nolanoe wrote:Sorry for the language, but fuck Kaurismäki. Him and Kusturica are probably the most overrated filmmakers of their generation.

The rest, however, is pretty interesting.
Fuck Kaurismäki?I just love when people throw the word "overrated" around without even bothering to give couple of reasons WHY they think someone is overrated.
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#786 Post by SpiderBaby »

What A Disgrace wrote:Not long after Criterion releases a great big Blu-ray set of Glauber Rocha's trilogy, someone is going to be very disappointed that Criterion has once again ignored Argentine, African or Hungarian cinema.
Then they can get on those next. Look a Rocha release for example would be 1 release that entire year. 1. In the middle of the Godzilla releases, or the Being John Malkovich releases, would it hurt to put out 1 release of something like that instead of "discovering" more of the same from someone like a Malle? Put out an African film the next year, etc. When all of those Countries are >1% of your releases combined, it's like you don't even try.
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#787 Post by FilmFanSea »

I agree with much of the criticism leveled at the CC's 2012 release schedule. Personally, I blame their current business model. In the "golden age" (circa 2003-7), the vast majority of releases were for films new to the collection (not counting the LaserDisc days). Then the release schedule became so clogged with first hi-def remasters and then Blu-ray re-re-releases (typically with no additional extras), and these pushed a lot of the new-to-the-collection stuff off the schedule. That's what makes me sad.

Initially, I was eager to upgrade many DVDs in my collection to Blu-ray, but these days I'm more selective, and I'm getting tired of buying titles for the third time (I know, no one held a gun to my head).

The heart of the collection for me has been the Renoirs, Fellinis, Ozus, Bergmans, Buñuels, Tarkovskys, Sternbergs, Bressons, Mizoguchis, Ophuls, et al. Maybe I'd be more satisfied if the Blu-ray re-releases were more heavily concentrated in this territory. But mainly I miss discovering new films, new directors (new to me, at least).
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#788 Post by matrixschmatrix »

SpiderBaby wrote:Then they can get on those next. Look a Rocha release for example would be 1 release that entire year. 1. In the middle of the Godzilla releases, or the Being John Malkovich releases, would it hurt to put out 1 release of something like that instead of "discovering" more of the same from someone like a Malle? Put out an African film the next year, etc. When all of those Countries are >1% of your releases combined, it's like you don't even try.
A big part of this- and why, for instance, they lean so heavily on Malle- is that Criterion has the Rialto catalog, and Rialto distributed mostly French, Japanese, and Italian movies in the first place (which is, as I understand it, one of the reasons those countries have such an arthouse edge in the first place.) It's not like they just release whatever they feel like, they work from a list of titles they have available.

That doesn't mean they couldn't work harder to go after a more diverse catalog still, but it's not as though every Malle release represents them going "well, we could put out something from South America, or we could put out Black Moon. Pssh, fuck South America"
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#789 Post by swo17 »

I do wonder how much of Criterion's acquisitions process could be described by Nick's comment in the MoC thread yesterday:
peerpee wrote:What MoC put out is dictated much more by available restorations and the affordability or luck-of-the-draw nature of acquisitions -- rather than our individual personal tastes (which are all subtly different).

Any decent opportunity that arose between 2004-2012 was grabbed with both hands, and would probably have been grabbed by most of you too!

It's a strange business - we're not really flicking through imdb wondering what to release next.
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#790 Post by jwd5275 »

I think you mean the Janus catalog....
(Most of Rialto's is now unfortunately inaccessable to them due to it mainly coming from StudioCanal...)

But I absolutely agree, much of what they put out is what they have easy access to from Janus free of licensing fees...
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#791 Post by matrixschmatrix »

Oh, right, I forgot those were different entities.
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#792 Post by SpiderBaby »

That's very true matrixschmatrix (about the Malle situation), but after 600+ titles, not even counting the Eclipse films, there has to be a little "fuck South America" when you have nothing.

In my mind, when someone points out that Rivette is the "next missing filmmaker Criterion hasn't put out" I see Glauber Rocha and Yoshida higher on that list. Now when a company that prides itself on gathering the "big" directors from around the world, I'm curious why they would leave out the "biggest" name of South American films this side of the 60's. The funny thing about this is, the Rocha films that needs releases are his Euro ones from the 70's (with the likes of Juliet Berto in them). So not even Brazilian films.
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#793 Post by matrixschmatrix »

Yeah- in some ways it's as much a problem with the viewpoint that Criterion is the standard-bearer for world arthouse cinema in the US as it is with Criterion, which has been pretty consistent about the kind of material it distributes, because if you see Criterion as representing legitimization (and looking at the Tiny Furniture thread, that's obviously a belief that's hard to avoid) then anything Criterion doesn't put out seems perforce less legitimate.

On the other hand, I don't know of anybody that's putting out Rocha's films, and Criterion seems as likely a candidate as anyone else. The only South American filmmaker I can think of off the top of my head that is fairly well distributed is Patricio Guzman, whom Icarus has been doing well by lately.
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#794 Post by Drucker »

Though I'm sure most of the people who work for Criterion know more than I do, I wonder how much of their selection IS limited by individual's tastes. I know I've read that each disc has its own producer, and I got the impression that for a release to come out (at least) one person kind of has to "take the lead" on the project.
So to a degree, certainly this could present some sort of limit on what's coming out.
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#795 Post by SpiderBaby »

^ This is something I wanted to bring up and didn't. Maybe no one at Criterion has seen or even heard of Rocha (which sounds crazy) and is the reason they don't go after his films for example. No one there to say they like his films.
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#796 Post by Kas »

There's others brazilian filmmakers that deserve to be mencioned. Maybe Criterion will listen: Joaquim Pedro de Andrade, Hector Babenco (argentinian-born, but brazilian radicated), Roberto Santos, Nelson Pereira dos Santos, Roberto Farias, Walter Lima Jr., Anselmo Duarte, among others.
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#797 Post by movielocke »

ellipsis7 wrote:The Japan percentage would leap if you threw in Eclipse...
I think it would jump about 4% overall.
Eclipse has 135 titles and is roughly broken down like this:

Japan: 33%
USA: 15%
France: 13%
UK: 10%
Italy: 5%
Finland: 4%
Czechloslovakia: 4%
Sweden: 4%
Canada: 4%
Yugoslavia: 2%
Spain: 2%
Soviet Union: 1%
Belgium*: 1%

*for the Akerman set, I just used the first country listed on the website, so one Belgium, two USA, two france

2011: new releases only, 40 titles:
USA: 32.5%
France: 27.5%
UK: 15%
Japan: 10%
Italy: 5%
Sweden 1%
South Korea 1%
India 1%
Germany 1%

2012: through july, new releases only, 26 titles:
USA: 42%
UK: 15%
Italy: 11%
Sweden: 8%
Japan: 8%
France 4%
Soviet Union 4%
Germany 4%
Finland 4%

Note that 2012 has already released films from as many countries as 2011.
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#798 Post by captveg »

So, there were 40 new titles in 2011 in 12 months, while 2012 has 26 in 7 months. If that pace is kept 2012 will have 3-6 more new titles than 2011.
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#799 Post by SpiderBaby »

Kas wrote:There's others brazilian filmmakers that deserve to be mencioned. Maybe Criterion will listen: Joaquim Pedro de Andrade, Hector Babenco (argentinian-born, but brazilian radicated), Roberto Santos, Nelson Pereira dos Santos, Roberto Farias, Walter Lima Jr., Anselmo Duarte, among others.
I would also add Júlio Bressane, Andrea Tonacci, and Rogério Sganzerla. Would be a cool Cinema Marginal Eclipse set.
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#800 Post by Rustle »

Too long, will not proofread.

I have been consuming film avidly for about 20 years. This conversation motivated me to make my first post here, and my feelings are almost identical to those stated by FilmFanSea, above. I would add that another possible reason for Criterion's increasingly thin offerings is that they no longer are the only high quality, easily accessible game in town. Kino has improved, MoC is very good, BFI has become a real treat even in Region A, and even some of the major US studios are doing a respectable job. Plus, there are only so many truly fine titles out there to resurrect. See also, the Jerry Lewis catalogue appearing in Blu Ray.

Up until about six months ago, I owned every Criterion title. Not because I fantasize that someone will be impressed by my collection or because of some compulsive neuroses, but because I truly believed -- chose to believe -- that Criterion's editorial decisions would escort me further down the path toward understanding and benefitting from this fabulous art form.

Admittedly, I always had a small "This can wait a very long time" stack (Chasing Amy, the Stillmans, the Bays, a few others), but I gladly shouldered that possibly wasted money on DVDs that might never get opened, for the enlightening bliss that is watching the Resnais titles for the first time, and then the second and third. My god.

Then about six months ago I watched a single Criterion title fairly recently re-released on Blu, and a fairly recent Eclipse set, both of which just made me mad. These were the kind of dumb films I knew to avoid before I even seriously started down my path. The listentothesoundtrackandreminisceaboutyourimaginedpast sincetherereallyisnotafilmtowatch approach, and the dreaded unfunny crap knuckle-dragging college boys call black comedy. Great.

These experiences caused two things for me: First, I now had a theory about the curious term "cult film", that it possibly means there is a cult of people who begin pretending it isn't atrocious at age 20 (because it reminds them of their awesome selves and their awesome friends), and like most cults, once you're in, it never occurs to you that something might not be quite right. Second, that it was time to liquidate some Criterion titles.

I've sold the entire "This can wait stack". I've abandoned the goal to upgrade all Criterion titles to Blu. And I'm skipping entirely quite a few things from the last year or so. All without remorse. Because you know, I've seen very very good college film projects. I don't need to own them on Blu Ray. Everyone (no offense) who takes film classes in college likes Clerks and Tiny Furniture because it is flattering, because every college film class always makes Clerks and Tiny Furniture, before, during, and after the wildly distributed versions. Yea for me!! I did that too!!

This week I watched Nathalie Granger, astounding even in its Facets transfer, and the gorgeous recent Blu-Ray of Pasolini's Media. These are the kind of breath-taking films that got me interested in the Criterion Collection, and I'm glad someone is distributing them. And I'm glad Criterion continues to put out some fine titles as well. But the time has passed to put faith in just buying them all -- a slightly flawed approach now significantly defective.
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