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Also, this may be minor nitpicking given all the other problems, but
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Or all the times, presumably in response to a bygone note that a woman who'd just undergone major surgery couldn't be doing a whole lot of running and jumping, that shots of Shaw going "Ow!" and clutching her stomach were inserted between running / jumping shots. That sort of thing is even more embarrassing than inventing a 'magic healing drug' to go with the 'magic surgery machine'.
Ah, okay, I didn't know thatHistoryProf wrote:Spoiler
i'm not sure why this different planets thing is so difficult for people. The ship's position is a silly distraction because I can't imagine any other position such a ship could possibly come to rest. it's not like it could be end up like a horse shoe. And people are reading way to much into the creature that comes out of the Engineer at the very end. In Alien they say something about the Space Jockey being over 1,000 years old. They also can't decipher the distress call - which they surely would have had it been Shaw's message. It was probably sent out in the proto-Sumerian language they spoke, hence the difficulty in translating it. And again, that ship's Engineer had been dead for a very very long time just like those in Prometheus. Ergo it was clearly a different ship that had taken off from the planet in Prometheus but the xenomorphs formed en route and forced the ship to crash.
In addition to the logic failures that clearly indicate they must be different planets you have the director and writers saying it explicitly, yet people still want them to be the same. They are not the same - which fits fine as this story is set up as a tangent anyway, not a true "prequel" (which Scott has repeatedly said).
Agreed. This was my first IMAX experience and we were right in the middle about perfectly half way up so we were situated right at the mid point of the screen. I wished we had gone back a few rows to have a bit more distance between us and the screen - but then I also don't like being at eye level with the top of the screen so i'm looking down on it either.mfunk9786 wrote:If your IMAX theater is anything like mine, you will want to sit as far back as possible (without being too high above the screen) - the large format of the IMAX screen makes it very difficult to focus your eyes on any more than one portion of the action onscreen, causing the parts of the screen you're not looking directly at to be blurred in the way that 3D appears without your glasses on. It can be nauseating/disorienting.
It's because Alien has a cat.McCrutchy wrote:People are complaining about the lack of characterization, especially compared to Alien, putting aside the fact that there were far fewer actors in the 1970s (hence the ones we had were better), I'd like to point something out: There wasn't a hell of a lot of characterization in Alien.
Like I said above, the big difference is that in Alien you've got Hurt, Holm, Stanton et al, all bringing personality to characters that are left deliberately blank in the script. In Prometheus, you've got a terrible script that goes out of its way to pin down its characters as one-note stick figures (This character has FAITH! How do we know? Because everybody else keeps telling us so! This character is ANGRY! Let's watch him be ANGRY in every scene, for no particular reason, until we get around to turning him into an ANGRY ZOMBIE!) or plot ciphers who make absurd decisions that no actor's charisma could transmogrify into 'motivation,' plus in most cases they gave those roles to actors without the chops to gild their respective turds. (I have no idea who the nonentity was who played the male scientist, but he was by far the worst offender.)McCrutchy wrote:People are complaining about the lack of characterization, especially compared to Alien, putting aside the fact that there were far fewer actors in the 1970s (hence the ones we had were better), I'd like to point something out: There wasn't a hell of a lot of characterization in Alien.
I don't know how much of this was in the script or down to the acting or the direction, but a major part of the film's success in this area is due to the way the characters come across as if they have a history with each other, eg. the tension you can feel between Ripley and Lambert. You can tell they get on each other's nerves for whatever reason, but that history is never explained away with some melodramatic plot device, it just hangs there as part of the atmosphere. Small stuff like that makes it feel like you are watching characters with actual lives and not just place holders for teeth to chomp through.zedz wrote:Like I said above, the big difference is that in Alien you've got Hurt, Holm, Stanton et al, all bringing personality to characters that are left deliberately blank in the script.
Of course, how could I forget Jonesy. It's too bad there wasn't some kind of homage to him as well.R0lf wrote:It's because Alien has a cat.
One of the worst trends in contemporary Hollywood filmmaking (going back quite a way) is that cookie-cutter writing trope of insisting that we can only care about characters who have supposedly 'relatable' 'issues'. So nowadays, we apparently can't empathise with a hero unless he or she has daddy issues, or mommy issues, or gol-darnit, is Learning to Be a Good Parent (see any Spielberg film). And the detective can't just be doing the job he's, you know, paid to do, he has to be tracking down the guy that killed his brother, or the guy that reminds him of the guy that killed his brother, or obscurely avenging his slain parent, or trying to live up to the image of a deceased mentor, or overcoming some childhood trauma.Mr Sausage wrote:You can tell they get on each other's nerves for whatever reason, but that history is never explained away with some melodramatic plot device, it just hangs there as part of the atmosphere. Small stuff like that makes it feel like you are watching characters with actual lives and not just place holders for teeth to chomp through.
From this answer I can only conclude that Marshall-Green hasn't watched any science fiction, ever. He certainly hasn't seen I, Robot (can't really blame him for that), but has he not seen Aliens?!?!? Ripley wasn't exactly buddy-buddy with Bishop...Why is Holloway such a jerk to David?
Logan Marshall-Green: It's something that I wanted to implement and I really, really liked it. Michael and I had a blast with it. It's something I haven't seen in science fiction, which is a sense of racism or bigotry towards androids and synthetic life. I think synthetic life is inevitable, and along that line bigotry and racism (if you will) will be inevitable as well. Although I can't approach a role thinking of [my character] as a racist or a bigot. Certainly now I can look back and explain his disdain for Michael in that way. I kind of loved it... that social reflection on a future being, a synthetic android.
I'll second that. A very interesting and erudite fan post that makes the case for how Prometheus can be pretty smart and coherent in its themes/images/ideas at the level of myth, even if it doesn't all play out so elegantly within the context of the film.greggster59 wrote:I found this essay yesterday and I think it does a good job of fleshing out some of the ideas.
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Not to mention Mr Scott's own Blade Runner. You'd think he'd look through his boss's own filmography...jbeall wrote:From this answer I can only conclude that Marshall-Green hasn't watched any science fiction, ever. He certainly hasn't seen I, Robot (can't really blame him for that), but has he not seen Aliens?!?!? Ripley wasn't exactly buddy-buddy with Bishop...
Yeah, I'm glad he didn't use that, too. I wasn't terribly impressed with Prometheus to begin with, but I have to say that if this is what Scott is on about, the film is even more inane than I had originally thought. All he's doing here is adapting the most odious aspect of organized religion - the idea that there's a god upstairs just waiting to wipe us out when we step out of line - to a pseudo-scientific context. It's nothing more than a cheap rhetorical trick, basically saying, "you Christians think you have it all figured out, but now the tables are turned HA HA HA!"HistoryProf wrote:RE: The religion discussion, clearly there was intent to connect things with the advent of Christianity according to this interview with Scott. Very glad they didn't go as specific as the following snippet:
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Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?
RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.