The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

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johnnysnatchclub7 · Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:00 pm

Bruce wrote:This is the first time I've seen any speculation about Criterion doing 'Carnal Knowledge'. Have they ever hinted that they are working on it?

Very possible but Mike Nichols having a phantom page and Criterion working well with MGM are really the only connecting dots.

Graham · #127 Post by **Graham** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:44 pm

Professor Wagstaff wrote:Any Fosse getting the Criterion treatment would make my day. Given the strong relationship they've had with MGM these last 2-3 years, I'm inclined to say Lenny, though the chance to see Star 80 in its OAR would be a dream. With either of those films, their subjects and their director all have rich histories worthy of a stacked bonus features section.

If it were Star 80, here's hoping they can do it as a double feature with They All Laughed.

The Australian DVD of Star 80 is anamorphic widescreen.

britcom68 · #128 Post by **britcom68** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:51 pm

Professor Wagstaff wrote:Any Fosse getting the Criterion treatment would make my day. Given the strong relationship they've had with MGM these last 2-3 years, I'm inclined to say Lenny, though the chance to see Star 80 in its OAR would be a dream. With either of those films, their subjects and their director all have rich histories worthy of a stacked bonus features section.

If it were Star 80, here's hoping they can do it as a double feature with They All Laughed.

They All Laughed has a new anniversary dvd release, with director commentary and Wes Anderson interview. I'd welcome a Criterion release of more Bogdanovich's films, but I doubt They All Laughed will ever be one of them. I keep wondering if the Fosse phantom page is for All That Jazz, since both dvd editions are out of print, Criterion could really do justice to the Fellini-inspired tone of the film with a great load of special features.

bainbridgezu · #129 Post by **bainbridgezu** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:04 pm

Looks like Life of Oharu and Babette's Feast are coming later today. Check the "phantom pages" after Kramer by changing the last number before the name. Criterion hasn't used placeholders for writers, actors, or cinematographers before, so I'd bet these are going up soon.

andyli · #130 Post by **andyli** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:40 pm

Yeah. The exact breakdown seems to be:
Spine 664: Life of Oharu 120735-49
Spine 665: Babette's Feast 120750-62
Spine 666: The Devil's Backbone 120763-96

That's a helluva way to figure out new spines.

BillWatkins · #131 Post by **BillWatkins** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:31 am

johnnysnatchclub7 wrote:
Bruce wrote:This is the first time I've seen any speculation about Criterion doing 'Carnal Knowledge'. Have they ever hinted that they are working on it?
Very possible but Mike Nichols having a phantom page and Criterion working well with MGM are really the only connecting dots.

That, and the fact that they released Carnal Knowledge on Laserdisc.

bainbridgezu · #132 Post by **bainbridgezu** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:02 am

More actor/writer pages, seems that we're getting Claude Goretta's The Invitation and Jack Clayton's Room at the Top pretty soon.

Jean-Luc Bideau
François Simon
Jean Champion
Michel Viala

Laurence Harvey
Heather Sears
Neil Paterson

Moe Dickstein · #133 Post by **Moe Dickstein** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:33 am

The Bogdanovich title that would be really good to get in the collection is Texasville. Now that Last Picture Show is in, this sequel would fit well, and they could put out the directors cut which is about 30 minutes longer - virtually all of which are callback scenes to LPS.

This was released so far only on the PioneerSE laserdisc line so there are only a few thousand of them out there (I've got one and the film works a lot better in the longer edit). Unfortunately the film is pan and scan (should be 1.85 as the DVD of the theatrical edit is) and Bogdanovich was slated to do a commentary track - however PSE was so busted at that point they cancelled the session to save money at the last moment, really pissing off PB.

This is a great SE waiting to happen...

Buttery Jeb · #134 Post by **Buttery Jeb** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:13 pm

If anybody is still trying to guess what Frank Perry title Criterion might be working on, look what popped up in their People cache:

Faye Dunaway
Diana Scarwid

#135 Post by **mfunk9786** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:22 pm

Mommie Dearest will sell like gangbusters.

ianungstad · #136 Post by **ianungstad** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:35 pm

Good catch!

Hopefully they keep the John Waters commentary and have other Frank Perry releases in the works.

adavis53 · #137 Post by **adavis53** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:55 pm

Does anyone know what we could be looking forward to with the phantom pages for Max Ernst, Man Ray, Alexander Calder and Marcel Duchamp? Is there some super amazing documentary I haven't heard about involving all these guys or what?

CSM126 · #138 Post by **CSM126** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:01 pm

Future release of the year.

jwd5275 · #139 Post by **jwd5275** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:04 pm

Not sure how reliable these phantom pages are.

If we go by the newly added pages, we are also getting an individual release of Diva, which I believe is owned by Lionsgate:
Jean Jacques Beineix
Frederic Andrei
Wilhelmenia Wiggins Fernandez

There are also a set of people that only match Herz's Junk Shop and Ismail Merchant's Mahatma and the Mad Boy, both of which are short films. I cannot remember them ever listing the the cast and crew of extras, so that would means that these are full releases....

ianungstad · #140 Post by **ianungstad** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:17 pm

It's true that we don't know how reliable these phantom pages are but they are in the midst of releasing new Paramount titles.

Zot! · #141 Post by **Zot!** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:36 pm

This Phantom page thing has been ongoing for some time now, is there a noticable trend?

jwd5275 · #142 Post by **jwd5275** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:30 pm

Ahem... just after I caution against getting too exited by any phantom pages:
Shintarô Katsu
Kiyoshi Atsumi
Etsuko Ichihara
Osamu Ôkawa
Either we get Zatoichi meets Tora-san or the rights issues for Man Without a Map have finally been sorted out (...or it is just all a cruel, cruel joke.)

jwd5275 · #143 Post by **jwd5275** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:38 pm

Okay. Now I'm convinced that they are just screwing with us:
Sergio Leone
Clint Eastwood
Eli Wallach
Lee Van Cleef

chatterjees · #144 Post by **chatterjees** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:56 pm

jwd5275 wrote:Okay. Now I'm convinced that they are just screwing with us:
Sergio Leone
Clint Eastwood
Eli Wallach
Lee Van Cleef

This is funny, I mean if you are right that they are screwing with us. That would be a nice way to torture our souls.

I can think about something for the first 3 names -
1. Leone - Duck, You Sucker (1971) [I put my money on this one. Why? its MGM; not included in the BD box set, where as the DVD set was Leone Anthology, not a Trilogy!!!]
2. Eastwood - Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974) [or Michael Cimino's Thunderbolt and Lightfoot]
3. Wallach - Baby Doll (1956) {I would love to see this one, if at all possible!]

Can't really come up with anything VALID for Lee van Cleef. I love Death Rides a Horse, but don't think that's Criterion worthy! The Only name comes to my mind is Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957). His role in the film was not really significant, but enough to be credited! This Paramount titles is getting neglected in the HD business. May be that CC have got it (we know they love Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas)! So, there is a faint chance...

What do you guys say?

#145 Post by **swo17** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:00 pm

Um, that's the director and leading cast for The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, already out on Blu-ray from MGM/Fox.

jwd5275 · #146 Post by **jwd5275** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:03 pm

Also just added were pages for cast members Al Mulock, Aldo Giuffrè, Luigi Pistilli and Mario Brega

#147 Post by **swo17** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm

It must have taken them all of three minutes to add all of those names. No way they'd go to all that effort if they weren't legit releasing this.

jwd5275 · #148 Post by **jwd5275** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:13 pm

I know. It looks like they opened IMDB and simply added names in order, in fact, actually most of these look that way.

adavis53 · #149 Post by **adavis53** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:24 pm

It looks like Carnal Knowledge is a definite now too. Pages for Candice Bergen, Ann-Margret, Rita Moreno, Cynthia O'Neal, and Carol Kane all came up.

britcom68 · #150 Post by **britcom68** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:32 pm

Jules Feifer, Ann-Margret, Rita Moreno and Candice Bergen!

Carnal Knowledge at last!

Also Carol Kane and Cynthia O'Neal.

The File on Thelma Jodon: Paul Kelly, Ketti Frings, Joan Tetzel, Stanley Ridges, Richard Rober, Gertrude Hoffman.

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