692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

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Re: Forthcoming: It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#126 Post by Lowry_Sam »

Wow. 24 hours later....and 5 pages have been added. I never thought that a movie that I have struggled to watch, but never have been able to make it past the intermission before falling asleep, would stir up so much emotion.
What about John Hughes' run from 1983-1987?
I do hope you're not serious, particularly since it can't compare to:

-Annie Hall, Interiors, Manhattan, Stardust Memories, Zelig, Broadway Danny Rose, The Purple Rose Of Cairo, Hannah & Her Sisters, Radio Days
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#127 Post by Moe Dickstein »

criterion10 wrote:Little late to the discussion here, but what the hell...

Is It's a Mad (x4) World really that bad? I remember watching it when I was young with my family, probably around 7 or 8 years old, and I enjoyed it then. Granted, I'm 17 now, my tastes have obviously quite changed, and so I may have a different reaction to it.

I'm still not too happy that Criterion is releasing it though, only because it's already got a fine Blu-Ray release. There are countless other films out there that have never even made it to home video or been released in decent quality that I would rather see Criterion put their time and effort into than a film that already has a DVD, Blu-Ray, etc.
The rationale is that the correct original cut of the film, which is something like 20 minutes longer, has never been seen outside the first 4 weeks of the run in NY and LA. If they aren't putting something like that together then it is a pointless release. There was an extended version on LD but it was partly roadshow scenes and partly scenes intentionally deleted, and on top of that the new material want inserted in the right places and sometimes the wrong order. There are also big roadshow scenes not on the LD that haven't been seen outside those original showings, including virtually Buster Keaton's entire part. So there's something worth doing here.
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#128 Post by Moe Dickstein »

knives wrote:It's tolerable and if Kramer's name weren't attached the reaction would probably be more of a why then the genuine dislike it is now getting. To phrase it another way it probably isn't amongst the hundred worst films Criterion has released on the mainline, but Kramer is likely the worst director to have gotten a spine and I am including Norman Mailer in that.
Is Mailer in the mainline? I thought it was just the eclipse set.

So is the basic argument against Kramer that he's a pedestrian technician who does issue films in black and white terms with little nuance and generally has a rampant case of Oscar bait fever? I can't say I'm a fan of his particularly but I can think of a dozen directors that offend me far more. Like Paul Greengrass and his vomit-cam. Do people hate Arthur Hiller too? I don't even want to ask what people think about my boss...
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#129 Post by knives »

I dislike Arthur Hiller a lot, but I don't know if that is a widely held opinion. I specified Mailer because otherwise he wouldn't be included.
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#130 Post by Moe Dickstein »

Even 'Silver Streak' Knives? I just think of Hiller as an invisible director. Not really worthy of any lengthy thought one way or the other. But at least he didn't ruin a great Colin Higgins script on that one.
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#131 Post by knives »

I've only seen Carpool, See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Love Story, Man of La Mancha, and The Americanization of Emily.
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#132 Post by Moe Dickstein »

If you like Charade, you'd like Silver Streak. They're the most Hitchcock non Hitchcock movies ever done IMO. The first pairing of Wilder and Pryor as well. Better than Carpool anyway :D
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#133 Post by Joe Lugoff »

Moe Dickstein wrote:The rationale is that the correct original cut of the film, which is something like 20 minutes longer, has never been seen outside the first 4 weeks of the run in NY and LA.
MAD WORLD went from 192 minutes to 154, so that's 38 missing minutes. I know some of them are supposed to be the Entr'acte and Intermission police calls and Exit Music, but I think more than 20 minutes of actual movie were cut.
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#134 Post by bamwc2 »

knives wrote:I've only seen Carpool, See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Love Story, Man of La Mancha, and The Americanization of Emily.
What don't you like about The Americanization of Emily? It's no masterpiece, but I thoroughly enjoyed it when digging into the Controversial Classics box last decade.
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#135 Post by knives »

It's been awhile so I don't remember the specifics, but it seemed too concerned with getting the characters to a certain point rather than letting them act out as people which shoots its goals in the foot.
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#136 Post by cinerama »

Joe Lugoff wrote:
Moe Dickstein wrote:The rationale is that the correct original cut of the film, which is something like 20 minutes longer, has never been seen outside the first 4 weeks of the run in NY and LA.
MAD WORLD went from 192 minutes to 154, so that's 38 missing minutes. I know some of them are supposed to be the Entr'acte and Intermission police calls and Exit Music, but I think more than 20 minutes of actual movie were cut.
I'm guessing that Robert Harris will somehow be involved in the restoration. Around 2001/2002 he said the roadshow was 195 minutes. I'm not sure if that included the 15 minute intermission which had 6 1/2 minutes of the radio calls. This review from a 11/11/63 issue of Boxoffice magazine say 197 minutes plus the intermission. Robert said at that time he had 188 minutes of that footage.
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#137 Post by JeffryBlu »

MAD WORLD is a wonderful expression of bloated early 60's cinema, but it has enough entertaining moments that I can excuse it. Now as for THE RUNNER STUMBLES....no. Kramer is one of the best examples of what I would call a "talented hack"-someone who probably had the talent to really be a great filmmaker but because he got wrapped up in important "message" films he let the controversy drive the material. THE DEFIANT ONES, INHERIT THE WIND, JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG and GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER all have their moments, but the message in all of them is so blatant that at many times it overshadows the performances and the settings, and that takes a lot to overcome Tracy, March, Poitier, Curtis, Dietrich, Schell, Lancaster, Kelly, Hepburn, Garland, Clift and all the others.

The Cinerama Dome showed the latest restoration some years back which supposedly had all the intermission and entr'acte material put back in (rumor has it that Mrs. Kramer found the soundtrack for the intermission radio calls in her garage), and didn't it just get shown again at the TCM Festival this year?

Curious-was there the same uproar when Criterion brought out GODZILLA, which many would claim to just be a schlock monster movie with a guy in a rubber suit? Just wondering...
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#138 Post by domino harvey »

No, because it's Godzilla
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#139 Post by The Narrator Returns »

Well, I guess Roland Emmerich does have a better reputation here than I thought.
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#140 Post by JeffryBlu »

Somehow, I don't think that Criterion would put out a Roland Emmerich film-that would make about as much sense as them putting out a Michael Bay movie.....oh....uh....er....never mind.
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#141 Post by Moe Dickstein »

no, only Stanley Kramer's reputation is down at the level of child rapist around here.
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#142 Post by zedz »

Actually, I think his reputation's only down at the level of 'mediocre filmmaker'. At any rate, on the basis of Godzilla, Ishiro Honda seems to be the much better issue-driven director.
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#143 Post by Moe Dickstein »

What's life without ridiculous exaggeration now and then
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#144 Post by Moe Dickstein »

At the bottom of this post, there are some details about the gentleman being comissioned to create a location map for the CC Box Set of Mad World.
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#145 Post by FrauBlucher »

The whining going on over at the HTF is exceptional because Criterion didn't announce
It's a Madx4 World. That's all they care about. Sigh.
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#146 Post by Matt »

This is why they should never hint or tease anything, they can't win.
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#147 Post by Moe Dickstein »

Frau, Mad World is going to be a pretty epic release.
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#148 Post by FrauBlucher »

Moe: Not the first epic release and won't be the last. Tell them, no sense whining. It will come.
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#149 Post by Jeff »

That thread is hilarious. The guy that joined here to explain to us that cinema isn't art is having some sort of legitimate nervous breakdown over not getting It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World within a few months of him finding out that Criterion was working on it.
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#150 Post by swo17 »

As far as I can tell, they don't even have a general forthcoming from Criterion thread, but just a "Criterion is releasing It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" thread that has thus far reached 55 pages. A mad, mad world indeed.
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