692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#276 Post by movielocke »

Matt wrote:
movielocke wrote:Over-wrought, over-the-top female melodrama
What Sirk film is that even a description of? Okay, maybe Magnificent Obsession, but besides that?
All the Sirk's I've seen have been pretty terrible and fit that description. Old broads dying of some dread disease but falling in love, old broads falling in love with a younger man but oh noes the societal disapproval. old broads doing this or that mellerdramatic love falling, mostly with terrible dialogue and worse acting, describes pretty much every Sirk. .. but pretty colors? :-&

It's a worthwhile point that I read 'art students' as liberal art students, because when I was in school, film studies were part of the liberal arts. straight up art students probably would like sirk, at least those art students that are not straight. ;)
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#277 Post by knives »

Homophobia, great. :roll:
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#278 Post by matrixschmatrix »

You know, I kind of bought the line that Sirk films are cheap but well made melodramas that daffy film snobs drive themselves nuts trying to find deeper meaning in, leading to this whole cult that believes they were ironic- until I watched one. They're actually fairly straightforward in expressing the counter-cultural, anticonformist sorts of themes that I'd always thought were just things people had made up to see in them, they just express them in a super emotional, heightened manner. You know, the same way that Visconti does in Senso.
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#279 Post by Gregory »

Oh for fuck's sake.
Female problems! Old broads! "Oh noes!"
You've apparently seen two or three Sirk films, didn't get them, and are trying to "describe pretty much every Sirk."
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#280 Post by domino harvey »

If only Criterion put out Has Anybody Seen My Gal? or Slightly French, we might get art students obsessing over Charles Coburn cutting a rug or Don Ameche being an asshole instead!
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#281 Post by knives »

Dear lord, if the former got released to a stacked Blu I might just die of joy. Maybe not the funniest movie ever made, but Coburn quietly nearly makes it so.
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#282 Post by Gregory »

matrixschmatrix wrote:You know, I kind of bought the line that Sirk films are cheap but well made melodramas that daffy film snobs drive themselves nuts trying to find deeper meaning in, leading to this whole cult that believes they were ironic- until I watched one. They're actually fairly straightforward in expressing the counter-cultural, anticonformist sorts of themes that I'd always thought were just things people had made up to see in them, they just express them in a super emotional, heightened manner. You know, the same way that Visconti does in Senso.
And while some of Sirk's films do that, most do not. He's a difficult director for anyone to convincingly pigeon-hole.
movielocke, see the Sirks that MoC has released (for starters) and maybe then get back to us.
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

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Gregory wrote:
matrixschmatrix wrote:You know, I kind of bought the line that Sirk films are cheap but well made melodramas that daffy film snobs drive themselves nuts trying to find deeper meaning in, leading to this whole cult that believes they were ironic- until I watched one. They're actually fairly straightforward in expressing the counter-cultural, anticonformist sorts of themes that I'd always thought were just things people had made up to see in them, they just express them in a super emotional, heightened manner. You know, the same way that Visconti does in Senso.
And while some of Sirk's films do that, most do not. He's a difficult director for anyone to convincingly pigeon-hole.
movielocke, see the Sirks that MoC has released (for starters) and maybe then get back to us.
Yeah, I should say I've only actually seen Imitation of Life, Written on the Wind, and All That Heaven Allows- something tells me that A Time to Love and a Time to Die isn't quite the same deal.
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#284 Post by kingofthejungle »

matrixschmatrix wrote:Yeah, I should say I've only actually seen Imitation of Life, Written on the Wind, and All That Heaven Allows- something tells me that A Time to Love and a Time to Die isn't quite the same deal.
And you've got to see The Tarnished Angels. Sirk manages to be even bolder in B&W than he is in color.
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#285 Post by FrauBlucher »

I wonder if there's a six degrees of separation between Sirk and Mad World.
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#286 Post by Moe Dickstein »

Can't we like Kalat and Mad World? I love both :)

About 6 weeks ago I was invited by Mr. Harris to come visit him at FotoKem where the work was being done on this new reconstruction. Criterion has had this in the works for quite some time and I believe it's a personal favorite of Peter Becker's.

The situation with the missing footage is pretty dire. All that survive are various trims from 70mm prints from when the film was taken down to the shorter cut. Some scenes survive with picture and audio, but some only picture, and some only audio. All of the 70mm material has turned to magenta at this point and a good deal of it had already decomposed and warped past usability several years ago.

On top of this, as was seen in the laserdisc, some shots were from "rectified" prints, which means that they were squeezed on the edges and stretched in the center to properly project onto a deeply curved Cinerama screen. Other trims were from a Japan-prepared print and had burned in subtitles!

On the laserdisc, many scenes were reinstated, but not in the place they had been in the original cut. The rectified scenes were left distorted, continuous shots had scenes re-edited to hide the jump cuts due to missing frames, and the Japanese print material was zoomed in some 40% to avoid the subs. It was the best they could do at the time.

Now, some 20 years later, the trims have turned totally magenta, the other color layers are gone. What remains is the resolution and the magnetic 6 track audio. Thankfully it seems the stereo channels were located otherwise, but the possibility was there to get some sound off those prints if it came to that.

For this project every viable trim was scanned by FotoKem and aside from the color missing, they looked great. But how can you re-color shots? The secret is in the trims scanned 20 years ago. All that exists there is a 480 line color record. Robert Harris figured out a way to take that record and combine it with the new scans of the trims, giving as much color back to the shots as is possible.

The secret is in technology developed to convert films to 3D. The computer program takes dozens of points across the identical frame in both versions, and then warps them together into perfect alignment. This also accounts for any unusual shrinkage in either element, and because the eye doesn't see color at the same resolution, having them combined gives a result that would have been impossible only a couple years ago. The only hitch is that the 480 material didn't cover the entire frame, so you will know those shots by a small fringe of black and white all around the borders. This is great from a reference standpoint though as you can really see the different amounts of frame exposed in different transfers. At FotoKem we could see the sprocket holes on the film, so you knew that was EVERYTHING in those scans. The most evident scenes are those with the Japanese subs, where only about 60% of the image will have color due to the zoom in done 20 years ago.

Other scenes which were missing audio I believe have had some work done, I don't have the full information on those at this instant but I will add to this when I check with Mr. Harris. Scenes existing in audio only have been reconstructed using a variety of stills in the style of A Star is Born, but this time there were a LOT more stills to work with than they had on that project so the result is hopefully better.

All in all the run time of 197:40 with music means that only about 3 minutes of the full cut are missing from this reconstruction. Even now they are still finishing it up, adding frames of audio and such so that it is going to be the closest we will ever come to a full version and something most of us had given up all hope of ever seeing.
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#287 Post by knives »

matrixschmatrix wrote:
Gregory wrote:
matrixschmatrix wrote:You know, I kind of bought the line that Sirk films are cheap but well made melodramas that daffy film snobs drive themselves nuts trying to find deeper meaning in, leading to this whole cult that believes they were ironic- until I watched one. They're actually fairly straightforward in expressing the counter-cultural, anticonformist sorts of themes that I'd always thought were just things people had made up to see in them, they just express them in a super emotional, heightened manner. You know, the same way that Visconti does in Senso.
And while some of Sirk's films do that, most do not. He's a difficult director for anyone to convincingly pigeon-hole.
movielocke, see the Sirks that MoC has released (for starters) and maybe then get back to us.
Yeah, I should say I've only actually seen Imitation of Life, Written on the Wind, and All That Heaven Allows- something tells me that A Time to Love and a Time to Die isn't quite the same deal.
You really need to see, well, all of his American films. The man was on an absolute roll. It's shocking to see some of his stuff since it often went to straight forward socialist critiques during the era that bred McCarthy. I highly recommend that TCM set which gives as wide an array of his films as possible only missing some of that screwball flavour. Captain Lightfoot in addition to inspiring Cimono's first film, for example, is just an insanely ballsy adventure film gloriously working in the function of 18th century literature. I'd be shocked if it wasn't a major point of inspiration for Barry Lyndon. Even something as odd as Battle Hymn deserves a quick look see (actually that whole Hudson set is worth the $15 since there's only one dud).
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#288 Post by jindianajonz »

Thanks Moe! Not to complain about a disc that's already packed to the gills, but it's a shame that this release doesn't have a supplement on the restoration.

For the 3 minutes, I assume that is mostly footage that couldn't be found, but I also saw somewhere between here and HTF that there was some footage on the laserdisc that had been trimmed. Do you know what that footage was and why it was removed?
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#289 Post by FrauBlucher »

Moe, I am going to assume that the sharpness and detail are still in tact and it will not be like the CoP fiasco and some others.

And thanks for the info.
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#290 Post by dustybooks »

I've never seen this film and it doesn't sound too appealing to me -- though I will certainly give it a shot -- but I'm rather psyched that Mark Evanier has found a way into the Criterion Collection. Though his interests and fixations are seldom mine, he's one of the most engaging and funny writers out there. He wrote a little about the announcement and some of the HTF fallout from last month here.
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#291 Post by Perkins Cobb »

Yeah, I was just going to post the above link ... It's hilarious (and therefore, of course, far more funny than anything in the movie) that Evanier went out of his way to slap down the HTF lunatics who used his blind item to fuel the fire.
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#292 Post by Moe Dickstein »

JJ - from what I understand the disc was mostly locked and the restoration took longer than anticipated. That's why the disc missed the planned November '13 release date. The material from the laserdisc that is not in the reconstruction is a matter of seconds of Arnold Stang in the rafters. Very inconsequential. It was removed because it only ever existed in preview cuts, not the roadshow cut. The missing footage we know the script for and I don't know what if anything will be done. The majority of that 3 minutes is an extension of Culpepper talking to the group as he's telling them to go turn themselves in. Merman has a classic line at the end of it "But what about those of us who are just passengers?"

Frau - the short version is going to be similar to the MGM blu but with a few small fixes. The reconstruction looks pretty amazing I can say having seen the footage at ForoKem. It's not anything like CoP, it's high Rez 70mm scans with in many cases 480 line color information laid on top of it. There are some scenes that don't have a LD counterpart so those scenes will be in black and white essentially The other big fix was a global filter plugin to reverse the rectification warp. That has been a big headache when watching the LD
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#293 Post by britcom68 »

Although Criterion's compiled an extensive compilation of archival interviews for the special features on this release, what is not yet clear and perhaps something Moe and Criterion itself can clear up soon is whether or not I should hold onto my MGM release for the documentary on the making of the film, "Something a little less serious." I enjoyed this thorough doc and felt it was far better than a mere behind-the-scenes-featurette potboiler (even if I ended up not believing one word Milton Berle said about his role in the film during his interviews).


Will the interviews from that making-of documentary or the entire documentary be ported over for Criterion's release, or was that not part of the agreement?
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#294 Post by Moe Dickstein »

It doesn't look like that doc is included. Hold on to the current Blu
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#295 Post by rwiggum »

movielocke wrote:I feel like most students would get a more negative impression of Hollywood from Sirk than they would from Kramer. Over-wrought, over-the-top female melodrama vs over-wrought, over-the-top social conscious films? (or in the case of mad world, over-wrought, over-the-top slap-stick comedy).
As a recently graduated film student, you couldn't be more wrong. Not only did I fall in love with Sirk, but his films were a hit with the took-this-class-for-an-easy-A crowd, who surprisingly were able to engage with his films fairly seriously and without getting caught up on the cheesier elements.

Also, I want to personally thank everyone in this thread for putting in so much work to lower my expectations for this film. I'm really touched that you would take a thread to 10 pages for a film that wasn't even announced, just so I can someday watch the film and be moderately, pleasantly surprised instead of disappointed it didn't live up to the hype. What a bunch of sweethearts.
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#296 Post by britcom68 »

Moe Dickstein wrote:It doesn't look like that doc is included. Hold on to the current Blu
Oh good grief! You would think a five-disc box release would be enough to include this one doc, but no-oooooooo! Now, to be a complete dedicated fan of this film, I have to make it a six-disc release! ](*,) So this is how you Bergman fans feel.
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#297 Post by Moe Dickstein »

With the amount of extras it may just not have fit on a 2 Blu set!
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#298 Post by flyonthewall2983 »

Never seen it but I remember hearing that it was the primary inspiration for the climax of the Simpsons episode "Homer The Vigilante".
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Re: 692 It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

#299 Post by matrixschmatrix »

That's literally all I ever think about every time I hear of this movie.
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#300 Post by Drucker »

flyonthewall2983 wrote:Never seen it but I remember hearing that it was the primary inspiration for the climax of the Simpsons episode "Homer The Vigilante".
The climax of the Simpsons episode is more than an homage, pretty much lifts the scene nearly directly.
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