I'd never argue
Sisters of the Gion as feminist which is probably the first difficulty we are having. All the same your post illustrates a little of what I'm saying. He has this reputation, but frankly I find it unearned (in the films I have seen) especially when compared to his peers. I find fallen women to be a perfectly okay descriptor to those films since he does often detail women who are initially presented with some social credibility who due to circumstance forces them to go down the social ladder to be redeemed through some sacrifice often death. It's a similar MO to film like
Pandora's Box or
Faust or some of Dreyer's stuff. While all great I wouldn't necessarily describe any of those films as actively feminist. Also frankly I feel that occasionally Mizoguchi can fall into misogyny due to a need for the classical and parochially pure woman and the need for Mizoguchi, not just society, to punish those who fail this purity test. Now that sexism doesn't make Mizoguchi a bad director, but it definitely doesn't make him the great feminist people make him out to be especially when compared to Naruse and Ozu's films from the same period.
As an aside I'm curious if any women have tackled this subject (Mizoguchi and feminism especially when considering his peers) in any serious critical writings?
hearthesilence wrote:It sounds like a derisive and inaccurate reflection of Kenny's argument when you say "how does being artistic change that into feminism," and he's not contradicting himself, the implication of what he's saying is pretty clear without being didactic.
Kenny is detailing what he says is a contradiction in the film - it has a plot which as written does not disapprove of the way things are played out, but it's given an empathetic interpretation (in its direction) that would prevent the viewer from endorsing what happens as just. This would be why it's a feminist work.
My point was that he argues the contradiction poorly and twists himself to not allow himself to say that the film is sexist, but it is nonetheless great. Being empathetic (your word, not his) just shows that he is a good storyteller, but doesn't mean that the film's treatment is a feminist one. Running with Lubitsch's fascism comparison (I don't think this is a good description of the whole film but it lightly works for her sacrifice) it is just as easy to argue and seems more accurate to the text of the film that the empathy is there to show how important and good the sacrifice is which encourages the viewer to endorse what happens. It may personally hurt to fulfill your social roles, but that just shows how great you can be if you still fulfill them. This would be why it is not a feminist work (I'd personally say it is entirely neutral on the idea with the female lead getting the short end of the stick just because of story norms and nothing to do with feminist or anti-feminist feelings).