Oedipax wrote: While it's true that Soderbergh doesn't spend any great deal of time pointing fingers at the larger economic forces at play in shaping the characters' lives...
Well, I don't really need him to start pointing fingers. I just wanted him to open up his view a little bit more to the larger (perhaps macro-economic) forces at play.
Oedipax wrote: ...all three to some extent had concrete circumstances to explain why they were in a sense trapped in their setting.
I would agree. I'm not saying they don't have concrete reasons for being trapped in their setting/prison. It just feels like they are resigned to remain there. As if it's not really worth the effort to try and improve their lives.
Oedipax wrote:Martha has to take care of her father who, as a senior citizen unable to care for himself, is left without a net except for his daughter -
and what will become of him now that she's in prison?
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I had the same question (contained in your spoiler), especially after watching his reaction to the news that the police inspector delivers to him.
Oedipax wrote:Kyle's options, like Rose's, are limited because he dropped out of high school (which, for all we know, could've just as well been because the school was poorly funded and failed to engage him as a student; I think many of us felt this way in high school, even if we followed others' advice to stick it out and go on to college).
I guess the problem that I have with this is that the audience is left to make this type of assumption for themselves, based on their own experience and perceptions of the school system. We don't know that the school system has let teenagers such as Kyle down, because we never really pin-point why exactly he has become disillusioned. I don't need Soderbergh to grab my arm and guide me through his film in order to show me exactly what the problem is, but I don't really think he has laid very solid groundwork in order for us to figure out what the problem is in this case. After spending so much time with him, it doesn't appear to me that the school system failed to engage him, but rather that nothing can really engages him (his attraction to Rose is even lethargic). I also don't really get the sense that Kyle is one of those free-thinker types that high school constantly tries to break so that their method of thinking conforms to the "proper" way. I just get the sense that he lacks enthusiasm about anything and everything. I guess my problem with this character is that I don't really think society failed him all that much. He just seems to be one of those people that uses society's failings as his convenient excuse. However, I did feel sorry for him about the whole medical problem with panic attacks (at least that's what I think it was from what I remember).
Oedipax wrote: ... but rather a film showing the hollowness of the American dream, the shortcomings of the work ethic we have hammered into us, a bit like Stroszek. Hard work just doesn't cut it sometimes.
I agree that hard work doesn't always pay off and that the belief that it always will is a bit of an American delusion. However, the problem I have with Soderbergh's efforts in
Bubble is that we never really see his characters give all that much effort to overcoming their circumstances. I'm not really seeing that much "hard work" from them, but instead just witnessing them "work". If the point is to see that hard work sometimes doesn't cut it, I would rather see someone actually attempt to engage in some hard work and then find out it didn't pay off. Instead,
Bubble just shows people doing what the have to do to sustain their existence. I guess another problem I have is that their is no sense of desperation here, like say
The Bicycle Thief, where the central problem almost becomes a question of basic existence, and we witness the struggle, foolishness, and disappointment while starting to understand the flaws of the people and the system.
Bubble on the other hand (and I think a comparison is somewhat worthy of considering since Soderbergh has noted his neo-realism inspirations with this project) restricts itself to showing the workforce as content to be plastic zombies manufactured by American society, without very much scrutiny of the process by which they are manufactured. I kind of wondered if these people ever even attempted to find the success promised by the American Dream. I couldn't help thinking of Homer Simpson's sayings, such as "if something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing!" or "you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try."
Oedipax wrote:Edit: And, just as an afterthought, I think Martha certainly understands 100% that life and society have, in a sense, passed her by,
which is one reason she finally cracks when Rose tells her to mind her own business - Martha has been ignored for so long but by a kind of faceless mass, nothing she can put a real name or a face to, and Rose has the great misfortune of personifying that. So in a sense I think we can read Martha's murder of Rose as a kind of pitiful lashing back at society which, of course, falls on deaf ears and is never truly understood by anyone, including Martha herself.
Yes, I agree that Martha understands this. IMO, I think Soderbergh was at least able to successfully convey the sense that Martha resented the fact that Rose is still youthful and has the potential to achieve some form of success by cutting corners. In that respect, I think Soderbergh was at least able to show the tension between generations, and the need to squash another's potential when one understands their own potential has been sapped.