domino harvey wrote:Are you unaware that what you falsely quoted above and what you directly bolded from me are not the same thing, in wording or meaning?
I clicked your link and one of the first things I saw when scrolling through the Twitter exchange I was accused of misrepresenting was the aforementioned decrying of "white grace" from one of the aggrieved, so
I apologize for taking this liberty.
However it doesn't change my point - none of these four people, not even Ira, were 'aggrieved' in the way you are portraying them to be.
Let me take a stab at painting a clearer landscape.
The meaning of your post as I understood it was people, meaning these four journalists as indicated by your link to their Twitter thread were trying to turn the shared Barry Jenkins/Damien Chazelle Variety cover as a slight to diminish the accomplishments of Jenkins & Moonlight. This prompted Jenkins to say the Variety cover is traditionally reserved for best director. You followed this up by further burying these people and by extension whoever you perceive to be representative of the 'new left'.
I challenged you because when I found these threads on Twitter I saw that this wasn't the conversation being had in any way shape or form. It was a substantive, intelligent and thought provoking discussion. The impression I have, perhaps incorrectly, is you find the mere discussion of this topic to be idiotic. Clearly I disagree.
Furthermore you mentioned one of the first things you saw when clicking on the links I provided was Ira using the phrase 'white grace'. Leaving that to the side for a moment this indicates that until you clicked on the thread links I provided you hadn't bothered to read these threads before tarring and feathering these four journalists. That's not cool.
Yet I'm the one accused of 'lying' or having a discussion in 'bad faith'? Come on man.
To that point and in deference to Mr. Sausage, on the topic of 'white grace' vis a vis 'white grace' vs 'being white and showing grace' as DH acknowledged he is well aware of what the term means therefore to respond to his question is a bit of a fool's race in obfuscation. Beyond this Mfunk had already answered his question. A not particularly relevant one because the conversation is about films and their auteurs. A very small slice of the population give a thought to who a film's producers are so to link the white producers of Moonlight is a feeble attempt at equating these lines.
To clarify Mr. S believed my calling DH's position to be false as pertaining to his question. Domino's calling out the behavior of the four journalists is the position I called false.
Now if people want to hang their hats on the implication of the term 'white grace' being used in this context when Moonlight has three white producers go ahead and fall on that sword, but frankly contrary to the four journalists it seems to me you're the ones unwilling to fairly engage preferring to stick with your intransigent narrative about this topic.
Hope this cleared things up a bit.
