The Future of Home Video

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#826 Post by nicolas »

MichaelB wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:51 pm One of my absolute dream projects foundered because the filmmaker's direct descendants had, as you say, a wildly inflated estimation of the work under consideration.

We were in full agreement as to the films' colossal historical importance, but sadly I knew from first-hand experience with a 35mm revival that we were talking niche audiences, so it wasn't just pessimistic guesswork on my part - I knew for certain that the films weren't worth anywhere near as much commercially as was being demanded. And I see that nobody else has picked up that particular baton since I reluctantly abandoned the project well over a decade ago.

(I'm not naming the filmmaker because I haven't given up hope yet.)
I think I know which filmmaker you’re referring to and won’t name them either out of respect but yes, it’s a major shame that the descendants are that stubborn. Maybe they think that everyone in the industry has Hollywood resources and waiting on the one perfect deal proves them right in the end. I wonder what the filmmaker thought about all this. :(
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#827 Post by tenia »

Eustache was such a case, and I still wonder what made his son change his mind (or if somebody finally manage to gather the amount of money he was asking for).
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#828 Post by JSC »

The Guardian weighs in on the continuing survival of physical media.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/m ... r-our-dvds
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#829 Post by thirtyframesasecond »

JSC wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:42 pm The Guardian weighs in on the continuing survival of physical media.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/m ... r-our-dvds
Did the writer ask on here about this topic - "... I posted on some online forums for movie buffs, asking if anyone still bought physical media and wanted to talk."
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#830 Post by criterionsnob »

I do like this quote from 'Ken in Seattle': “I’ve kind of lost all my interest in visiting Best Buy at all,” he said. Physical media was “kind of like their Costco hotdog”.
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#831 Post by TechnicolorAcid »

thirtyframesasecond wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:41 pm
JSC wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:42 pm The Guardian weighs in on the continuing survival of physical media.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/m ... r-our-dvds
Did the writer ask on here about this topic - "... I posted on some online forums for movie buffs, asking if anyone still bought physical media and wanted to talk."
I don’t think so but I do know he did ask around on the Boutique Blu-Ray subreddit a while back iirc.
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#832 Post by Matt »

The photo of “Amanda Bowman’s DVD collection” is giving me agita. She has sections for directors complete with shelf dividers, but the discs themselves are in neither chronological nor alphabetical order. Mad lass!
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#833 Post by onedimension »

Speaking of home DVD collections, is there a thread to talk about shelving strategy? Is this a safe place to discuss?
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#835 Post by colinr0380 »

That was an interesting aggregator article of all the current thinking around the home video scene (including the Blockbuster stuff and that French Connection controversy on streaming channels), although just as weird for puncturing into our weirdly insular physical media bubble as the DVD Beaver call out that has just gone on is this article namechecking and interviewing Jesse Nelson and DiabolikDVD! Although from a personal standpoint I would take a bit of an issue with Nelson talking about business having taken off due to the pandemic as March 2020 was the point at which the last order I did with them got cancelled, then there was that rather brusque notice put up on the home page for around a year or so telling international customers not to use the site, and since then despite the e-mail drops having started up again in the last year or so, I haven't dared to import using DVD Diabolik since! That may be illustrating how overwhelmed Nelson was once the pandemic hit and he started getting far more customers than he could handle, but as one of his 'weirdo cult title enthusiasts', I was pretty much ejected from using his company at that point.

Also related to physical media, there was another article released on the Guardian the same day about Scorsese donating his archive of VHS tapes to the University of Colorado, which was a really interesting read.
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#836 Post by Finch »

Fred Mayer and Gamestop stores will be selling physical media, says TechRadar.
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yoloswegmaster
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#837 Post by yoloswegmaster »

Sony has ceased producing blurays in Japan. Hopefully this doesn't mean that other operatioms around the world will cease as well.
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#838 Post by tenia »

You mean as a home video label, or as a pressing plant ?
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#839 Post by hearthesilence »

I just did a search and found this from The Mainichi in Japan:
Sony Group Corp. will cut around 250 jobs from its recordable media business' key manufacturing hub in northeastern Japan and offer early retirement packages to its employees, sources close to the matter said Saturday.

The planned job cuts come amid a decline in demand for traditional storage formats such as Blu-ray discs, with streaming services now the norm.

The manufacturing base in Tagajo, Miyagi Prefecture, currently has a workforce of around 670 people.

The electronics and entertainment conglomerate will also gradually cease production of optical disc storage media products, including Blu-ray discs, according to the sources.
I think they may be referring to recordable media, not pressed media, but regardless it's supposed to have very little impact on physical media globally as most of the world's manufacturing is not even in Japan anymore.
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#840 Post by tenia »

It looks like it's only recordable media.
https://www.hdnumerique.com/actualite/a ... e-fin.html
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#841 Post by MichaelB »

I used to buy packs of 100 BD-Rs regularly from Japan for professional reasons, but I've changed my workflow since as it's impossible to burn UHD discs, so I now QC both BD and UHD projects based on disc images fed through an Oppo 203 player. So this would have been annoying a couple of years ago, but not any more.
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#842 Post by pistolwink »

Is this likely to make BD-R media more expensive? (It's already pretty expensive.)
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#843 Post by MichaelB »

pistolwink wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:46 am Is this likely to make BD-R media more expensive? (It's already pretty expensive.)
Well, unless you're aware of a couple of manufacturing facilities that are opening up to take the place of the one being shut down...
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#844 Post by tenia »

I dok't think it's automatic. It's likely this plant was shut down because the company was a whole was at over-capacity vs demand. It might very well still be.
(In my previous company, several plants suffered layoffs, manufacturing lines displacements, and ultimately closures. It didn't change noticeably our operating costs when it came to the MSRP, in part because we were producing the same category of products in multiple plants.)
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#845 Post by yoloswegmaster »

cdnchris wrote: Fri May 05, 2017 8:09 pm My brother has had me order him Warner Archive titles and then ship them up as the stores in Canada (which do stock them) charge a hefty price. I just assumed WA didn't ship to Canada, though maybe they do but their shipping is ridiculous?

I can relate to jazzo, though, because even at the pinnacle of the DVD format, it really was a pain in the ass buying titles. Not so much a problem in the States. Specialty labels were especially awful because they didn't have decent distribution. I paid $80 (CAD) for Stalker for fuck's sake. Criterion titles were usually $60 at the very least, though it sounds as though that has gotten better. There are still a few places in Ontario that are heavy into physical media but they're few and far between and mostly one off independent places. Of the places I still hit when I go visit there's Steve's TV in Kitchener and Video Plus Books in Stratford. Future Shop was decent but then they closed all their doors literally the same day I arrived for a family visit a few years ago, which pissed me off because Best Buy sucks.
Just came across this post today lol, but man am I upset to learn about the existence of Steve's TV since I live 5 minutes down the road from the location but Google is telling me that it's now permanently closed (as well as Video Plus Books). There was another local physical media store in downtown Kitchener called Far Out Flicks that mainly only sold VHS and DVDs but that also closed over a year ago. Now there aren't any local stores to go to if you want to buy physical media in-person, unless you go to Walmart or Best Buy but even both of those places have severely decreased the size of their physical media inventory. Now the only way to get blus/4K is thru the internet, which lets you order from anywhere in the world but even that has limitations, as shipping fees can be outrageous for Canadians. For example, I tried getting the Italian 4K release of Once Upon a Time in the West from Amazon IT but the shipping fee was literally higher than the cost for the film itself!
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Re: The Future of Home Video

#846 Post by nicolas »

yoloswegmaster wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:14 pm
cdnchris wrote: Fri May 05, 2017 8:09 pm My brother has had me order him Warner Archive titles and then ship them up as the stores in Canada (which do stock them) charge a hefty price. I just assumed WA didn't ship to Canada, though maybe they do but their shipping is ridiculous?

I can relate to jazzo, though, because even at the pinnacle of the DVD format, it really was a pain in the ass buying titles. Not so much a problem in the States. Specialty labels were especially awful because they didn't have decent distribution. I paid $80 (CAD) for Stalker for fuck's sake. Criterion titles were usually $60 at the very least, though it sounds as though that has gotten better. There are still a few places in Ontario that are heavy into physical media but they're few and far between and mostly one off independent places. Of the places I still hit when I go visit there's Steve's TV in Kitchener and Video Plus Books in Stratford. Future Shop was decent but then they closed all their doors literally the same day I arrived for a family visit a few years ago, which pissed me off because Best Buy sucks.
Just came across this post today lol, but man am I upset to learn about the existence of Steve's TV since I live 5 minutes down the road from the location but Google is telling me that it's now permanently closed (as well as Video Plus Books). There was another local physical media store in downtown Kitchener called Far Out Flicks that mainly only sold VHS and DVDs but that also closed over a year ago. Now there aren't any local stores to go to if you want to buy physical media in-person, unless you go to Walmart or Best Buy but even both of those places have severely decreased the size of their physical media inventory. Now the only way to get blus/4K is thru the internet, which lets you order from anywhere in the world but even that has limitations, as shipping fees can be outrageous for Canadians. For example, I tried getting the Italian 4K release of Once Upon a Time in the West from Amazon IT but the shipping fee was literally higher than the cost for the film itself!
As an alternative to Amazon IT I can recommend this store: https://www.dvd-store.it/ Hopefully they’ll charge less shipping for your country.
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#847 Post by yoloswegmaster »

nicolas wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:19 pm As an alternative to Amazon IT I can recommend this store: https://www.dvd-store.it/ Hopefully they’ll charge less shipping for your country.
I just tried it and shipping cost even more than what Amazon was charging.
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#848 Post by hearthesilence »

I asked in another thread about Korean Blu-ray shops and unexpectedly I was able to go to Korea with my partner so I was able to do my own shopping (probably made everyone's life easier, hah). Posting this here because it's interesting to compare the state of physical media in Korea vs. here in the U.S.

I couldn't find any reporting that addressed what I was looking for, so most of my initial research took me to comments made by Korean locals who painted a bleak picture - more than a few said that most stores specializing in movies had gone out of business ages ago due to the changing market and that I was better off shopping online. It seemed especially dire to hear this from a few Koreans who still bought Blu-rays.

Then it finally occurred to me search "best Blu-ray store Korea" on YouTube and I found this. A very thorough video, wouldn't surprise me if Tyler was a member here (and likely at the other forums). I found another video where he visits a book store, Aladin, but I had to skip it due to time constraints.

The store, "Apple Music" in English, is on the second floor of a mall that was only four bus stops away from our place in Mapo. (I think 15 minutes total?) That mall is basically a Mecca for electronics, you can find probably the best models of anything you want there, like super-charged massage chairs and kitchen appliances. The second floor is mostly an audiophile paradise - I've never seen anything like it where it's one store after another of audiophile gear (so many vacuum tubes!) They took up most of the second floor, leaving only a few stores like Apple Music that deal with physical media, and the inventory at these stores leaned heavily on jazz and classical music. It's likely jazz and classical records sell far more units in Korea than in the U.S., similar to how it is in Japan. When I went into Apple Music, I was surprised to find that it imported a lot of audiophile pressings from the U.S., even super expensive stuff like MFSL's "one-step" reissues. But the store stands out mostly for its amazing movie inventory, all the more impressive when the floor space is far less than, say, Amoeba in Hollywood. A lot of DVD's - they even had a healthy stock of Abbas Kiarostami box sets! - but I focused on Blu-rays and UHD's. The woman who ran it is very knowledgeable and very helpful, even with the language barrier. I asked about one Edward Yang movie without mentioning Yang's name and she immediately reached over and grabbed a stack of Edward Yang movies that had everything I'd want from him. FYI, you can get your 10% in sales tax back at the airport, and it's actually a fast process in Korea thanks to the way it's set up, but I neglected to save my receipt. (Sometimes if you show a non-Korean passport, a store will remove the tax right there on the spot.)

Anyway, that same woman comments on the YouTube video and thanks Tyler, mentioning that people from all over the world have visited her store after seeing his video (like me!) It's also pointed out elsewhere that the store is very much a rarity, one that stocks a lot of arthouse fare. (She basically had everything I asked for - the only exceptions were a few titles that were no longer in-print.)

Later on when we went to Kyobo Book Centre, something of a landmark since it's the largest book store in Korea, they had a setup similar to Barnes & Noble where there's a section that specializes in music and films. However, the film selection was pretty modest and made up of big mainstream titles. On top of that, it was suggested that when you manage to find stores like the one we saw in Kyobo, it's really propped up by K-pop sales - a lot of K-pop fans in Asia will not only buy the physical albums but multiple versions (or variations) of it, and it's possible that's the main source of revenue for less-specialized movie & music stores in Korea when they do exist.
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Re: The Future of Home Video

#849 Post by agnamaracs »

I'm worried that those proposed tariffs will spell the end of physical media, at least from major studios and labels. Please prove me wrong.
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#850 Post by MichaelB »

Well, Brexit didn't do wonders for UK labels, but they're (mostly) still there.

Although punitive tariffs are potentially a bigger headache, especially given that quite a few discs are manufactured in Mexico these days.
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