Kill Bill: Volumes 1 and 2 & the Whole Bloody Affair (Quentin Tarantino, 2003-2004)

[dwk]

Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair coming to theaters early December. Will include a new 7 1/2 minute animated sequence.

[Kracker]

Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair coming to theaters early December. Will include a new 7 1/2 minute animated sequence.

Wonder if it’s the supposed sequence where Gogo’s sister (played by the other femme fatale from Battle Royale) comes after her. Supposed to explain why she doesn’t have the Pussy Wagon in part 2 (gets destroyed in the fight)

[mfunk9786]

Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair coming to theaters early December. Will include a new 7 1/2 minute animated sequence.

Will be very curious to see how the edit is done, since the only(?) existing print of the Cannes edit has French subtitles burned in. Hoping some of the smaller differences are retained (especially the Crazy 88 stuff being in full color, of course). Beyond that, though... fuck yeah!

[The Fanciful Norwegian]

From everything I've read there's nothing in the Cannes print that wasn't in the Japanese cuts. I'm guessing this will all come from the original DI(s) except the "new" animated sequence (which was supposedly finished ages ago). Maybe they've done a rebuild of the DI, though that would make the recent UHD releases a bit of a dick move. A full-color House of Blue Leaves sequence would be an issue unless the MPAA is now willing to let it through with an R or Lionsgate is willing to release it unrated (I can't imagine them putting this out with an NC-17).

[mfunk9786]

A full-color House of Blue Leaves sequence

Expect an understandable phalanx of complainers if this is not part of the theatrical or disc releases

[dwk]

Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair coming to theaters early December. Will include a new 7 1/2 minute animated sequence.

Wonder if it’s the supposed sequence where Gogo’s sister (played by the other femme fatale from Battle Royale) comes after her. Supposed to explain why she doesn’t have the Pussy Wagon in part 2 (gets destroyed in the fight)

When he was talking about this years ago, it was in reference to the O-Ren Ishii anime backstory being longer. So I expect it to be the full-length version of that sequence.

[sabbath]

Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair official trailer.

[The Elegant Dandy Fop]

Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair coming to theaters early December. Will include a new 7 1/2 minute animated sequence.

Wonder if it’s the supposed sequence where Gogo’s sister (played by the other femme fatale from Battle Royale) comes after her. Supposed to explain why she doesn’t have the Pussy Wagon in part 2 (gets destroyed in the fight)

When he was talking about this years ago, it was in reference to the O-Ren Ishii anime backstory being longer. So I expect it to be the full-length version of that sequence.

Having seen the Cannes version previously, I can confirm the anime snippets in the trailer just posted are not in that version. The only difference of the anime portion in the Cannes cut is a close-up of a body being disembowled.

[Zot!]

Wonder if it’s the supposed sequence where Gogo’s sister (played by the other femme fatale from Battle Royale) comes after her. Supposed to explain why she doesn’t have the Pussy Wagon in part 2 (gets destroyed in the fight)

When he was talking about this years ago, it was in reference to the O-Ren Ishii anime backstory being longer. So I expect it to be the full-length version of that sequence.

Having seen the Cannes version previously, I can confirm the anime snippets in the trailer just posted are not in that version. The only difference of the anime portion in the Cannes cut is a close-up of a body being disembowled.

There has been SO much talk about this over the years that I stopped paying attention, but I get the feeling that the reason QT didn't bother releasing it is because it was almost completely redundant and they've actually had to add NEW animation to justify its existence. And there is no way they're actually showing this without an intermission across 4 hours, right? And if so, what is the point? I say as a fan of the originals, which I put second in the QT filmography.

[beamish14]

Really curious to see how many 70mm prints will be struck.

[mfunk9786]

And if so, what is the point? I say as a fan of the originals, which I put second in the QT filmography.

This is a much, much better film when consumed this way. There are decisions made around the end of part 1 and beginning of part 2 that make it a much stronger experience overall, in my view. It's absolutely worth the effort expended here.

The only annoying thing about this release is a bunch of pushy nerds feeling like they "won" some sort of one-sided argument they've been having with Tarantino for the last 20 years.

Hoping the B&W fourth wall stuff with The Bride narrating the beginning of Part II wasn't re-stitched back into the edit (it makes a few appearances in the trailer). Just has no real place here.

[Noiretirc]

Do we have any reliable source for the exact duration of this? I've seen 4h08m (simply adding up the theatrical releases of 1+2?) and I even saw 4h41m somewhere. (I don't want to list sources, because the Criterion Forum Source Cognoscente have been on my ass already today.)

We seem to be getting 7min extra animation, and I suppose an intermission. But also some subtractions regarding narrating / bridge between the two earlier films, and no need for duplicating credits.

(Tarantino should have called it: Kill Bill - Nine And A Half.)

Edit: Well, "4h41m which includes a 15min intermission" seems to be making the rounds. Therefore 4h26 film - which seems to be about 18min longer than Kill Bill 1 + Kill Bill 2. So even with the 7min animation addition, and subtraction of bridge-narratives and duplicate credits, I think there's some substantial (unknown) other additions.

Or maybe the internets is wrong.

[Zot!]

maybe the internets is wrong.

The Machines are certainly taking their sweet time taking over.

Anyway, looking forward to more details....especially how this will be presented. In keeping with our nagging complaint about those pesky millennial 2K DI's - apparently this is one of those where the 4K is apparently just an upscale, and I suppose it would be a wonder if they did anything otherwise here.

mfunk I will take your advice and give this version a proper chance. I've only ever seen the two originals independently.

[Zot!]

Anyway, looking forward to more details....especially how this will be presented. In keeping with our nagging complaint about those pesky millennial 2K DI's - apparently this is one of those where the 4K is apparently just an upscale, and I suppose it would be a wonder if they did anything otherwise here.

They've announced 35mm and 70mm showings...the 35 is unsurprising, but what is to be gained from a 70mm blow-up from a 2K DI? Perhaps it is instead the new 4K uprez to 70mm [-X ? Either way will be curious how they do this.

[beamish14]

Anyway, looking forward to more details....especially how this will be presented. In keeping with our nagging complaint about those pesky millennial 2K DI's - apparently this is one of those where the 4K is apparently just an upscale, and I suppose it would be a wonder if they did anything otherwise here.

They've announced 35mm and 70mm showings...the 35 is unsurprising, but what is to be gained from a 70mm blow-up from a 2K DI? Perhaps it is instead the new 4K uprez to 70mm [-X ? Either way will be curious how they do this.

The sound is the really big benefit of the blow-up. Him and Paul Thomas Anderson are all-in with bringing back 70mm prints from films shot in 35mm

[Zot!]

Why would the sound depend on the blow-up? I'm pretty sure everything is all digital now, sound-wise. Do you mean like 70mm on IMAX? I've not seen any IMAX support mentioned....but I could understand if they would for that reason. While Kill Bill was captured on 35mm, it has a 2K DI (which they upscaled for the 4K UHD), which is why I was curious if they did somehow revisit the original negatives here for this release and redo at least some of it on a higher res DI scans or natively on film like we saw on WBAA and (as I learned from this forum) good swaths of the Nolan films.

[Saturnome]

The new Kill Bill segment is set to premiere inside video game Fortnite using the game's graphics and some of it's characters.

[domino harvey]

Sorry that now counts as his tenth film

[Noiretirc]

Sorry to ask this, as I'm sure it is bothersome....

Is there actually new segments (ie made recently), or were these previously unseen segments made at the time of the Kill Bills?

The word "new" keeps getting used in the promotions for this. It's confusing. (At least to me.)

[domino harvey]

The clips from the Japanese version that circulated eons ago certainly had additional details in the animated portion, but not to the tune of five minutes. But if this is new, it’s odd he wouldn’t just instead illustrate the infamous ice cream truck fight with Go Go’s sister that made it to the final script but was never filmed

[The Fanciful Norwegian]

It's not outtakes from the original production, but it's not exactly "new" either, except in the sense that it's new to the public. Tarantino said as far back as 2009 that Production I.G had animated (apparently on their own initiative) "a whole little chapter" for the O-Ren section that was dropped during pre-production of the original 2003 version. Since it wasn't included in the 2006 Cannes print of The Whole Bloody Affair, I assume it was created a couple of years or so after that.

[Noiretirc]

Interesting. Thanks.

Edit: Deleted some nonsense that I previously thought illustrated a point regarding new touchups to older works.

[Finch]

Hopefully QT can be persuaded to release TWBA on physical media and ideally in new scans after the mixed reactions to the 4Ks of both parts. Moving the revelation about a certain character to much later in the film so we experience the same shock as the Bride makes so much more sense than making it a cliffhanger note for Part 1. Can't imagine a lot of people wanting to go back to the cut up versions after they've seen the Whole Bloody Affair.

[The Fanciful Norwegian]

Hopefully QT can be persuaded to release TWBA on physical media and ideally in new scans after the mixed reactions to the 4Ks of both parts. Moving the revelation about a certain character to much later in the film so we experience the same shock as the Bride makes so much more sense than making it a cliffhanger note for Part 1. Can't imagine a lot of people wanting to go back to the cut up versions after they've seen the Whole Bloody Affair.

It's not just new scans that would be needed, the entire DI would have to be redone. They did one in the first place (which wasn't yet the norm at the time) because there was a ton of stuff with color and recreating different film stocks that wasn't considered feasible to do photochemically, so it wouldn't necessarily be a trivial redo even if they have a conformed negative. The trailer shows no sign of a new DI, and if Tarantino and Lionsgate didn't think it was necessary to do one before printing this to 70mm, I'd be shocked if they do one for home media release.

Also, it seems that the additions beside the extended anime sequence (indicated by the longer-than-expected runtime) are

Spoiler

an outtake and the Fortnite segment mentioned above, both shown post-credits. The end credits themselves are also said to be considerably longer.

[Noiretirc]

Well, hopefully someone will confirm all of this tonight.

Edit: Lots of details now on the internets.