All the President's Men

[TVC 15]

I want more honest journalism and media. If they had that many people working there and none of them could follow the money all this time then why should they be there?

That's not a correct assumption to make. A lot of people at the Post did report and speak out about what was happening as it was happening. Most of them had already left and settled into jobs elsewhere by the time this came down yesterday. The executive editor said what's left of the Post would “concentrate on areas that demonstrate authority, distinctiveness, and impact,” focusing on areas such as politics and national security, but as Ruth Marcus - who spent over 40 years at the Post - wrote in response, “this strategy, a kind of Politico-lite, would be more convincing if so many of the most talented players were not already gone."

I'm not talking about the Bezos takeover and Ruth Marcus is a supporter of a murderous nationalist movement and whitewashed heinous crimes and wrote puff pieces defending a corrupt govt whose most popular newspaper in their own country is reporting the truth and not propaganda.

[Noiretirc]

It's a strange time, isn't it? Not only are we seeing the crumbling of this once-great paper, namely because Bezos, who actually behaved himself during Trump 1.0, bent both knees recently, and subscriptions logically fell, but also, this film - the subject of which might be baffling to young people: "You mean, like, if POTUS lies and/or tries to cover up something, this can be (or used to) be the consequence?" We've seen a thousand Watergates from Trump. He Watergates multiple times on some days. And he gets away with it. Because 2026 is millenia apart from 1974.

[swo17]

Isn't that precisely the reason Fox News was created--so that if something like Watergate happened to another Republican president, he'd get away with it? And it worked!

[Noiretirc]

Isn't that precisely the reason Fox News was created--so that if something like Watergate happened to another Republican president, he'd get away with it? And it worked!

Well, that plus The GOP Today.

My 17 year old has a very puzzled look when I try to explain why Nixon resigned. He is most confused when I say that many GOP Senators could not defend him.

This film must be like Star Wars for young people!? "In a galaxy far far away...."

[TVC 15]

Young people will not see it as massive. Countries up in arms right now after files and emails revealed their politicians were illegally sharing sensitive secrets to a known convicted pedophile who had dealings with lots of people in high places. Some are under investigation and PM of UK may be gone soon because of it and a royal was stripped of titles. People in power doing dirty work for corporations and foreign govts at expense of own citizens.

[MichaelB]

A crucial difference between the UK and US is that the former's checks and balances still just about work, despite having undergone similar stress tests over the last decade or so.

Although many of us thought that Boris Johnson should have been sanctioned for lying to the House of Commons considerably earlier, he ultimately resigned in 2022 because he was facing a three-month suspension from Parliament specifically for telling lies—which would have triggered a recall petition in his constituency, almost certainly a by-election (a British special election) and very likely losing his seat far more ignominiously. And if Liz Truss hadn't resigned, she'd almost certainly have been forced out by a confidence vote.

And the fact that we still just about take these things seriously is undoubtedly why there've been genuine reputational and career consequences for the two most prominent British people associated with the Epstein files—but nothing equivalent in the US, despite certain people being mentioned many, many more times.

Oh, and Melania has been a box-office catastrophe in the UK beyond any possible spin—it took £212 per screen in its first three days, which suggests the average attendance must have been in the low single figures per showing. Although there are strong and convincing rumours that Amazon four-walled the various screens, so at least the losses will have been borne by Bezos rather than the cinemas concerned.

[TVC 15]

In my media they are covering it but not painting truthful pictures. They are saying Epstein was Russian intelligence even though there are more ties with another govt where the PM was pictured going into Epstein's apartment and stayed with him. Same PM was accused of violent sexual assault. Epstein mentioned as a spy for this govt along with Ghislaine Maxwell's dad being accused of being a spy and given a state heros funeral with intelligence and leaders of his country attending. Robert Maxwell was publishing US school books after leaking US nuclear secrets and giving them to another country. Robert Maxwell also owned newspapers in UK. Mainstream media has been doing propaganda for years at least other countries are doing something. I tried warning US friends on discord but they think it's crazy conspiracy theories. I think US and anither country may be cut off from rest of world soon it is that bad.

[MichaelB]

Please identify this PM and this other country, so I can independently fact-check what you're claiming.

[TVC 15]

Please identify this PM and this other country, so I can independently fact-check what you're claiming.

PM is Ehud Barak. Is not hard to find out other details but I am not saying them for a good reason. PM me if you need more info please.

[Matt]

Hey everybody, please keep discussion at least newspaper-related.

[TVC 15]

If other countries outside US investigate and do something about the biggest scandal of our lifetimes then nobody will ever look at newspapers the same. Watergate will be a non story and questions will be asked why Nixon was targeted and not others who did worse. This has been going on for a very long time.

[flyonthewall2983]

We should open the thread up again

[TVC 15]

We should open the thread up again

Which thread? I have lots of information I can share with proof but some things can only be said in PM.

[Noiretirc]

Oh dear. We seem to be going everywhere with this. At least I stuck with WaPo and this film.

[Matt]

We should open the thread up again

Counterpoint: no

[TechnicolorAcid]

We should open the thread up again

Counterpoint: no

Counterpoint to the counterpoint: Why? We are undeniably unable to escape politics in any form so better to have it relegated here to one specific thread than let people’s political discussions bleed into every other thread and it’s ridiculous to want to regulate political discussion in a forum about a medium that is meant to encourage discourse about the state of the world itself, especially its politics. This isn’t the knitting forum For Christ’s Sake! If people want the right to discuss politics here than let them as long as they’re respectful and aren’t spreading any genuinely harmful ideologies.

[swo17]

Hey, everyone. The forum moderators have decided to lock this thread permanently. This decision isn’t about any specific users or comments but about keeping the forum focused on our core mission: providing a place to talk intelligently about physical media, movies, and related arts and entertainments. While we understand that art is always political and welcome reasoned discussion about the political aspects of art, we believe that there are more appropriate venues to discuss current politics than this forum. Thank you for understanding.

[TechnicolorAcid]

Hey, everyone. The forum moderators have decided to lock this thread permanently. This decision isn’t about any specific users or comments but about keeping the forum focused on our core mission: providing a place to talk intelligently about physical media, movies, and related arts and entertainments. While we understand that art is always political and welcome reasoned discussion about the political aspects of art, we believe that there are more appropriate venues to discuss current politics than this forum. Thank you for understanding.

So why not lock the Non-Political thread or the Travel & Wanderlust thread or the Weather and Everyone’s Health thread since those aren’t related to physical media, movies, and related arts (don’t btw I really like reading those threads and sure everyone else here does too)? It feels like just an excuse to avoid confronting the state of the world through an isolationist’s perspective. Also, in regards to discussing politics beyond this forum, perhaps people felt safer discussing politics with a community they’ve been active in for years rather than being forced to enter the cesspool that is online political discourse. Just based on this thread’s recent occurrences alone, it’s obvious that people want to discuss the state of the world here because they feel safe discussing that here, which should not be met with a “hey guys let’s not get TOO political.”

[Noiretirc]

Edit: I'm confused. Nvm.

[domino harvey]

I’m not the mod who proposed locking it, but there’s a simple solution here: go literally anywhere else online and you can find an audience for airing your political perspective. No one anyone here would want to listen to is pro-Trump (somehow I don’t think people are asking to open the thread because they desperately want to hear from the other side), so what would the point be of even opening the thread except to compile and compound miseries in an echo chamber?

[TVC 15]

I’m not the mod who proposed locking it, but there’s a simple solution here: go literally anywhere else online and you can find an audience for airing your political perspective. No one anyone here would want to listen to is pro-Trump (somehow I don’t think people are asking to open the thread because they desperately want to hear from the other side), so what would the point be of even opening the thread except to compile and compound miseries in an echo chamber?

Both sides are guilty and get money from the same lobbies so the foreign govts and corporations win either way. Heavy censorship on all the other platforms and sites with bots muddying waters to control narratives in an email in the files it says that they encourage tribalism to keep people distracted and profit off their country going down economically. This scandal involves everyone and CEOs of companies and local doctors I know someone who worked for a CEO who was named many times in files. This won't be shown on TV in newspapers or social media and politicians won't say anything because they will be ruined as most taking money from the same people and lobbies will fund opponents and media figures to get whistleblowers out of politics. Only way to spread the word is by mouth through art and on places not censored or infiltrated by bots and trolls.

[ryannichols7]

you guys had me excited that Warner had announced this for UHD...

so anyway, I'm glad it's coming!

[TVC 15]

Confirmed proof is available but media pretend it does not exist. Media and newspapers is owned by people who are involved too just like how Ghislaine Maxwell's dad owned UK newspapers and had his schoolbooks handed out in US schools after he stole US secrets and spied on US using bugged software PROMIS to give to foreign govt where their own biggest paper does not cover for them like US media and people like Ruth Marcus. This is massive and not to do with partisan brainrot everybody needs to know this. We need a safe space to talk about this.

[MichaelB]

We need a safe space to talk about this.

How astonishing that there seems to be nowhere else, not anywhere in the limitless immensity of the interwebtubes, where people are able to talk about this.

[TechnicolorAcid]

I’m not the mod who proposed locking it, but there’s a simple solution here: go literally anywhere else online and you can find an audience for airing your political perspective. No one anyone here would want to listen to is pro-Trump (somehow I don’t think people are asking to open the thread because they desperately want to hear from the other side), so what would the point be of even opening the thread except to compile and compound miseries in an echo chamber?

You know what, I guess you’re right.