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Matt
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Re: Euphoria

#151 Post by Matt »

I'm only just catching up with the show now. Based on what others have said, I'm sure I'll get the rug pulled out from under me with the rest of the season, but I thought the first three episodes had moments of dark humor ranking with the best of the previous two seasons.

On the other hand, it does seem like a totally different show. As many new characters as returning characters, and the main characters only crossing paths in contrived ways. Zendaya is as good as usual, even without a whole lot to do. She's just such a natural actor, one's tempted to say she's just playing herself. Sydney Sweeney, though it's fashionable to dislike her now, is still great, as is—to my eternal surprise—Alexa Demie.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Kadeem Hardison (!) are genius additions to the cast, and Alana Ubach continues to be an MVP supporting actor. The scene of her
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talking shit about Cassie's dad as she walks her down the aisle
was, I thought, hilarious.

Jacob Elordi and Hunter Schaefer, though, seem to have forgotten how to play their characters, or more likely Sam Levinson has forgotten how to write them. Levinson also seems to have reined in his most extreme Scorsesian tendencies, at least in these first few episodes, but he seems to have moved on to Russ Meyer as his primary influence for this season. So many boobs.

I love love love Cassie and Nate's disgustingly tacky house. But Labrinth's music is sorely missed. It's good that Fez wasn't just killed off between seasons à la "Roseanne," but Rue's one-sided phone conversation with him was a little ridiculous. Please tell me they don't CGI him into a later episode.
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#152 Post by Altair »

S3 is, clerly weaker, than the first two seasons but actually the finale is the strongest episode of the season. It's still messy and leaves loose ends, but it hones in on Rue and Ali, who have the strongest bond.
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Rue's death dream made me very emotional and the pain and anger Ali feels at her loss and at the ravages of addiction feel very real. All of the melodrama and feeble satire of the entertainment industry in the previous episodes fade away, and the Christian imagery and themes do actually have a pay-off.
Perhaps it's not a surprise that a series so rooted in the chaos of Rue's life should also be narratively chaotic, but as a whole, Euphoria created something that was amazingly powerful and affecting.
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Matt
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#153 Post by Matt »

Just finished the season up and... I might be the only person on earth who actually liked it? I think, given the time that passed between S2 and S3, it makes sense that it feels like a completely different show. With some of the storylines and characters (Nate, Jules, Lexi), it feels like Levinson just had to invent something for them to do, and they could have been completely excised from the season without it affecting anything else. I'm not sure Maddy's storyline made much sense either, but Demie's performance as a vampiric girlboss was a fun contrast to and foil for Cassie's delusional "OnlyFans Barbie" fantasy. (I also liked the "Attack of the 50 Foot Cassie" bit. Sorry.)

Instead of the heavy Scorsese/PTA influence of the first two seasons, we get more a Tarantino (without the quippy dialogue)/Leone/Ford influence. The season is blatantly a Western—I had to laugh at some online articles that took Levinson's very early pre-shooting characterization of S3 as a "film noir" and ran with it even after the premiere. I’m not mad about it, even if I rather missed the breathless, second half of GoodFellas-style filmmaking that characterized much of the previous two seasons. But I have to say, I don't really see Sam Levinson ever getting a chance to take such big swings again in his career.

I had to laugh at myself when I was watching one of the early episodes and thought to myself "that stripper with the neck brace looks a lot like Rosalía" only to find out in the end credits that it was Rosalía. I had no idea she was in this let alone had such a big role. I also thought it was mildly funny that Kadeem Hardison's character wears flip-up sunglasses. You know he had to have groaned when they showed him his wardrobe.
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The Curious Sofa
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#154 Post by The Curious Sofa »

I'm also catching up, I'm half way through and so far I'm really enjoying it. It went from an edgy teen show to a darkly funny crime show and it's certainly is making me laugh more than the previous seasons. I'll see whether the remaining episodes will live up to the "worst jumping the shark ever" hype, which I've been trying to avoid.
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#155 Post by therewillbeblus »

I can’t bemoan others for enjoying it, but the betrayal of character in the end of the finale throws the whole recovery-realism attribute that once grounded the show into a full-blown fantasy and I can’t forgive that. It feels downright insulting to the community, whereas the first half of the episode’s choice to pay tribute to Cloud’s death with a controversial choice makes sense and felt appropriate
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#156 Post by The Curious Sofa »

Having finished this now, I liked it as much as the previous two seasons, and completely reinventing the show was a good move. Rather than judging Season 3 by its own merits, I have the feeling the internet has it in for Sam Levinson after a couple of creative missteps (neither of which I've seen). But this is one of the better TV seasons I've seen in recent years.
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Rue's death by fentanyl overdose makes complete sense, considering the death of Angus Cloud and how drugs have changed in America ("Why kill the customer?"). Killing her off an hour before the end was audacious, but also felt entirely in keeping with the show's new direction. Her death was as much a murder as it was a (understandable and possibly minor) relapse, so I don't believe the series betrays her character. The final hour functions as an epilogue, a revenge drama that embraces its genre and shouldn't be taken too literally. It's as much a cinematic fantasy as it is a conclusion to the show. Making Colman Domingo the lead in the last hour makes sense. Zendaya, Jacob Elordi, and Sydney Sweeney always get mentioned as having become the show's breakout stars, but his career has taken off just as much.
The entire season was as gripping and suspenseful as a crime show should be, and on top, it was often very funny. Zendaya is outstanding, the way she keeps playing down the fact that, with every attempt to get herself out of the hole she's in, she only gets herself in deeper, is quietly devastating. Sydney Sweeney is great too. I get the feeling she's an actor who needs a good director, and then she's capable of great work. The only time I thought she was outright terrible was in The Housemaid, but then Paul Feig is one of the worst directors working today. The big surprise of the core cast here is Alexa Demie, whose unflappable self-assurance makes you believe that she may just have what it takes to succeed, even if she is selling her soul to the devil. Jacob Elordi takes a step back. Basically, he gets his comeuppance, which is satisfying at first until it isn't, and you end up actually feeling sorry for him.

Hunter Schafer, on the other hand, is poorly served by an extraneous plotline that doesn't really advance her character. Her reunion with Rue feels contrived, and she makes choices that don't make much sense. The light has gone out in her eyes and her "Sunday Afternoon with Penises" presentation is the worst scene in the show and the revelation of Rue's portrait is the second worst. It may have been better if they hadn't brought her back. Some of the supporting cast really get to shine. while Sharon Stone is wasted in a nothing role, an unblinking Martha Kelly and a commanding Akinnuoye-Agbaje are both excellent as rival crime bosses with very different styles. The standout among the new cast members is Darrell Britt-Gibson as Bishop,
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who remains a closed book until his last scene.
My main reservation concerns the subplot about
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Rue finding God and idealising that Christian family. This struck me as odd, especially given the social and political realities of contemporary America. The show presents the family as almost wholly virtuous, yet never really engages with the possibility that people with those values might clash sharply with Rue's identity and way of life. Consequently, the final scene with Ali visiting them left a sour taste in my mouth. It felt overly sentimental and insufficiently critical of the worldview that the show was asking us to embrace.
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