349 Kicking and Screaming

[Andre Jurieu]

Jacott now has a bit part on Studio 60.

His part seems to be expanding as the show gets going. Last night (tonight, for US audiences) he had a bigger role - not a lead role, but bigger role. Of course his most memorable pop-culture role was as Ramon-the-Pool-Boy on Seinfeld.

[Napier]

I just got around to watching this one last night and was surprised at what a great film it is. The dialogue is very well written,and executed. I think it was a great choice for Criterion to include in the collection.Great characters, great DVD package.

[Matt]

Jacott now has a bit part on Studio 60.

I don't like that guy. His mole and no-lips creep me out.

[Mr Pixies]

I saw this last night, and while watching it, during the "cowfucker' scene, thought, holy crap, is that Dean Cameron?! And then I realizede it was just Noah Baumbach. I thought, wow, if that was Dean Cameron, for that scene alone, which was lame, then this movie would be great for that alone. And then.....who do I see later on? Dean Cameron! I was so surprised. It was like Noah Baumbach knew he kinda looked like Dean Cameron, so he thought, just in case some people going to see Kicking And Screaming aren't receptive to the characters and dialouge, he'll put just enought Dean Cameron in it to sweeten it all up. Carlos Jacott would probably have been enough, but he was new, so how could Baumbach know? I'm glad he didn't and decided to get Dean Cameron in and tema them up. Also, Dean Cameron is not really that fat, it's just padding. I thought maybe he could have gotten fat, but Kicking And Screaming was made right with Ski School 2, and Cameron was really fit in that movie.

I liked the movie, but confess that I didn't get that there were any flashback scenes, I just thought that Grover's character started seeing a new girl, that she just looked like his girlfriend from the beginning, and that the black and white to sepia stills transitions were to express Grover's infatuation with her. I thought it was really corny until I watched the Baumbach conversation.

[justeleblanc]

Jacott now has a bit part on Studio 60.

I don't like that guy. His mole and no-lips creep me out.

... and as of now I no longer like the show.

[Andre Jurieu]

Jacott now has a bit part on Studio 60.

I don't like that guy. His mole and no-lips creep me out.

... and as of now I no longer like the show.

Yeah, it's definitely a disappointment so far.

[Cinesimilitude]

just watched this, and while I loved the dialogue, humor, and the characters, I get the feeling that baumbach made a 96 minute walk down memory lane, and wouldn't be able to put forth a very strong argument for what it's about other than it's surface storyline. This would have GREATLY benifited from an in-depth commentary, but I'm happy with this release.

[jon abbey]

just watched this without knowing much about it, and really disliked it. I agree with the previous post about its superficial nature, but disagree about the dialogue (3/4 of which was clunky/artificial, hard for the occasional good line to overcome that). I'm not averse to watching a film about directionless 22 year olds, but this didn't seem to have anything to say about anything except that a lot of people are confused about what to do after graduating from college in the US. well, pretty much anyone who went to college anywhere around this time could tell you that, and I don't see where this adds much insight or depth to the issue. one of the worst Criterion films I've seen.

oh, and that airport scene cited above, to me it was obvious early on that he wasn't going to have his passport on him, who carries that around for no reason?

[Cinesimilitude]

Is it possible that the dispute over the dialogue being good or not is regional? The things they say in this film are certainly more interesting and are quite hilarious compared to what people I know (in college) talk like. With the exception of the 'Ding!' game which I would find very annoying (It's actually very similar to something a friend of mine said in high school all the time) I found the conversations to be interesting and something I'd love to sit around and listen to while out drinking instead of the average albertan chats I've overheard (Cowboys, Oil Fields, etc.).

Can anyone relate?

[toiletduck!]

Can anyone relate?

I haven't gotten around to this one yet, but if it's anything like other 'intelligent' college movies I'm familiar with (the quotes aren't meant to be insulting, just a lack of a better term), then I totally do, if you switch Cowboys and Oil Fields to Farmers and Corn Fields.

I was going to say that I also tend to think that factor increases my enjoyment of this type of script, but I find Linklater's 'talkie' films absolutely dreadful, so me and the alcohol are going to defer that decision to another time.

-Toilet Dcuk

[Cinesimilitude]

Linklater's "talkie's" are often about people in their late 20's/early 30's, and even though I love linklater films like Tape and Before Sunrise/Sunset(feel fre to mention others that you meant), I know I'll appreciate before sunset more 10 years from now, since It will then be relative, and that's what films like these are now. I'm a city boy stuck in a redneck town who's claim to fame is that it contains the countries' most liquor stores per capita. This film transported me somewhere I felt I could fit in, and that made it a worthwhile experience for me.

[Toddarino]

I was wandering around the local used store today and stumbled across this. I held off, cause I've never seen it and there are a lot more Criterions on my list I need to get. Plus I wanted to see what a few other people thought. I did pick up Insomnia though for a good price.

[skuhn8]

I was wandering around the local used store today and stumbled across this. I held off, cause I've never seen it and there are a lot more Criterions on my list I need to get. Plus I wanted to see what a few other people thought. I did pick up Insomnia though for a good price.

Thanks for sharing.

[Cinesimilitude]

I would have gone with and "And what did you have for lunch?", but yeah...

[jt]

I was wandering around the local used store today and stumbled across this. I held off, cause I've never seen it and there are a lot more Criterions on my list I need to get. Plus I wanted to see what a few other people thought. I did pick up Insomnia though for a good price.

Thanks for sharing.

And welcome to the forum!

In a nutshell, it's a talkie flick about directionless college grads...and that's about it...

Nothing really happens in it, so your enjoyment will be based on whether you find the pseudo-intellectual, 'Dawson's Creek' style dialogue funny and interesting.

Some on this board find the characters well drawn, funny and sweet. Some find them so affected and annoying that watching this film makes them want to chew their own arms off at the elbow.

And while we're sharing, I'm a fan of Linklater and Kevin Smith films so was looking forward to this. It became the only CC film I've ever traded away. Flat out, the worst film in the whole collection.
[hint:- every single good line in this film is written on the dvd case]

[Cinesimilitude]

Flat out, the worst film in the whole collection.

Obviously you've never seen Schizopolis.

[skuhn8]

Flat out, the worst film in the whole collection.

Obviously you've never seen Schizopolis.

whoa, are we about to knock Schizopolis? You've got to rub and work it into the groove. I didn't like it first time round; watched it twice more with commentaries (absolutely essential imo if you don't get SSoderbergh's humor right off the bat), and now love it.

I'm going to go and make a snack now and then maybe watch a movie...or maybe not.

[jt]

Flat out, the worst film in the whole collection.

Obviously you've never seen Schizopolis.

Indeed I haven't and I'm not in any rush...

Fair enough, K+S is the worst of the 150-odd CC's I've seen (although Jigoku runs it damn close)

[Cinesimilitude]

I listened to the commentaries as well, and I still can't stand the film. Infact, I've never liked anything Soderbergh has been involved in, with the exception of the scene in Full Frontal when duchovney gets emotional, and then gets wood, during the massage. His mainstream stuff is dull, too. Didn't like Traffic, don't like the Oceans films, and I couldn't stand his version of Solaris. I also would like to whole-heartedly knock Mona Lisa while I'm at it. the only other film in the collection (I've also seen about 150 of them) that I didn't like at all.

Anyways, I love Kicking and Screaming.

[HerrSchreck]

I was wandering around the local used store today and stumbled across this. I held off, cause I've never seen it and there are a lot more Criterions on my list I need to get. Plus I wanted to see what a few other people thought. I did pick up Insomnia though for a good price.

Thanks for sharing.

That is absolutely fucking hilarious.

[jt]

Does anyone still take Soderbergh seriously after the Eros episode?

I watched Soderbergh's Eros episode directly after Antonioni's and in comparison to that, it seemed like the best piece of film-making in the history of the medium...

[Toddarino]

I was wandering around the local used store today and stumbled across this. I held off, cause I've never seen it and there are a lot more Criterions on my list I need to get. Plus I wanted to see what a few other people thought. I did pick up Insomnia though for a good price.

Thanks for sharing.

Damnit, my internet sarcasm detector is on the fritz today. I'll check back later. Maybe I need a secret handshake to get into this forum.

But thanks, jt.

[jt]

Maybe I need a secret handshake to get into this forum.

No handshake needed but you might have to be prepared to get down on your knees and make like a circus seal...

[Cinesimilitude]

Nah nah, All you gotta do is post like you've been on the internet for more than 10 minutes. We want informative posts or witty/biting remarks. An intro here is usually fine, but if its at all lengthy, it usually warrants an insult from one of the regulars (When you're having a bad day, n00bies are easy targets, and someone here is usually having a bad day.)

You could Also start by reading some of our more popular threads (bitching about cover art is one of our favorite pasttimes) and just making a comment about how much _________(insert user name)'s observations are in tune with your own. I would recommend getting on the good side of atleast one of these members:

Matt
davidhare
HerrSchreck
The Invunche
TechNoir

That list is in order of least to most difficult, but the last one is impossible, I assure you.

PS. Users are often judged by the caliber of their avatars, so the choosing of one can metaphorically mean life or death by some users standards. Good luck.

Sincerely, with Tongue planted in cheek, Sonic Death Monkey.

[pauling]

I had a chance to finally see this over the weekend and while K & S left me somewhat unaffected, except for the ending which was expertly handled, I thought the 'Conrad and Butler' short was hilarious. Did anyone else enjoy this more than the feature film?