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Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:32 pm**

Postponed to 14th of December according to Amazon

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:13 pm**

The official Arrow announcement on the release date change should include an updated list of bonus features, which should soften the blow - it's an exceptional package that goes well beyond what was previously announced.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:06 pm**

they added more special features?

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:32 pm**

black&huge wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:06 pm they added more special features?

Sure have! New additions in bold:

4K restoration of the uncut NC-17 version, supervised by director of photography Peter Suschitzky and approved by director David Cronenberg
High Definition Blu-rayTM (1080p) presentation
5.1 and 2.0 Stereo DTS-HD Master Audio
Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing
Brand new audio commentary with film scholar Adrian Martin
Cronenberg Challenge – new interview with director of photography Peter Suschitzky
Mechanical Animals – new interview with executive producer Jeremy Thomas
The Shore Thing – new interview with composer Howard Shore
License to Drive – new interview with casting director Deirdre Bowen
2019 Q&A with Cronenberg and actor Viggo Mortensen at TIFF
1996 Q&A with Cronenberg and source novel writer J.G. Ballard at the National Film Theatre in London
Behind-the-scenes footage and contemporary press interviews
Architect of Pain: The Cronenberg Project – brand new video essay by Caelum Vatnsdal on Cronenberg’s use of architecture and location
Crash! (1971, 18 mins) – short film originally broadcast as part of the BBC’s Review series, starring J.G. Ballard and loosely adapted from his 1970 novel The Atrocity Exhibition
Two short films inspired by Ballard and the novel Crash: Nightmare Angel (Zoe Beloff, 1986, 33 mins) and Always (crashing) (Simon Barker and Jason Wood, 2016, 14 mins)
Two Cronenberg short films: The Nest (2013, 10 mins) and At the Suicide of the Last Jew in the World in the Last Cinema in the World (2007, 4 mins)
Original Trailers
Fully illustrated collector’s booklet featuring new writing by Vanessa Morgan, Araceli Molina, Jason Wood and Zoe Beloff, and a reprinted excerpt from Cronenberg on Cronenberg
Fold-out double-sided poster featuring original and newly commissioned artwork
Limited edition packaging with reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Gilles Vranckx

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pm**

Brilliant. I was surprised when the 1996 Q&A wasn't in the initial announcement and I'm very glad to see it on there. But Crash! (1971, 18 mins) was a pipe dream that I never thought Arrow would manage to get from the BBC - I know Turbine was in contact with Harley Cokeliss who was keen for it to be restored and released, but they weren't able to get the BBC on board with it. Any info on whether it has been restored or if it's at least better than the quality of the recording on YouTube at the moment?

Good to see a couple of Cronenberg shorts on there as well, though The Italian Machine (1976) would seem to have more thematic relevance.

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:25 pm**

What a package, and heartening demonstration of a commitment to ethos on Arrow's part since they hardly had any competition with their supplements already commissioned. So at this point, the Criterion is really only worth getting for superfans who want both commentaries..

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:58 pm**

wow... that is.. just packed. I think it's time for me to preorder this already.

I'm not big on commentaries whatsoever and I was planning to also get the Criterion for some weird completist thing and I am not trying to ignite an argument here but there is really very little to no reason at all to get the Criterion

Posted: **Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:26 pm**

I’m also getting the Arrow, because while I’d like to listen to Cronenberg’s commentary, the Arrow package is just head and shoulders better, plus there’s always a chance the Cronenberg commentary winds up streaming on the Criterion Channel one day.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:51 am**

I'm surprised by the inclusion of only 2 Cronenbeg shorts, the same that Turbine and Carlotta included in their releases, but not Camera, which they also included. I thought the update was bringing all 3 shorts and actually originally misread it.

On the other hand, the other short films look very intiguing.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:54 am**

tenia wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:51 am I'm surprised by the inclusion of only 2 Cronenbeg shorts, the same that Turbine and Carlotta included in their releases, but not Camera, which they also included. I thought the update was bringing all 3 shorts and actually originally misread it.

Camera is already on our edition of Videodrome, which is still in print, so I’m guessing the producer thought it would be redundant to include here too.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:49 am**

Oh right, completely forgot it was already out at Arrow. My bad !

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:15 pm**

What a stunning set of extras!
The inclusion of Nightmare Angel is staggering. I didn't think I would ever see that!

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:07 pm**

Was holding off on getting either of the new editions of this after getting the Turbine, but I've pre-ordered the Arrow after seeing the updated extras. A great package.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:20 pm**

David Mackenzie on bluray.com answering concerns about the bevy of extras messing with the video encode:

It won't. The feature is going on there at 85mbps.

I suppose at best the Criterion will top out at 35mbps. This is going to be a slam dunk from Arrow.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:43 pm**

I normally order from Zavvi for films outside of the U.S. Are there better options for this particular 4K release for those of us in the U.S. with all-region capabilities?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:03 pm**

wattsup32 wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:43 pm I normally order from Zavvi for films outside of the U.S. Are there better options for this particular 4K release for those of us in the U.S. with all-region capabilities?

I've only ever received US releases from DIabolikDVD, but they also sell select foreign titles, such as this, and I've never had any cause for complaint.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:47 pm**

bluesforyou wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:20 pm David Mackenzie on bluray.com answering concerns about the bevy of extras messing with the video encode:

It won't. The feature is going on there at 85mbps.
I suppose at best the Criterion will top out at 35mbps. This is going to be a slam dunk from Arrow.

I think the maximum possible video bitrate for BD-Video is only around 40Mbps. Dual-layer UHD discs apparently max out at 108Mbps, though I don't know if that's only for video or for all streams.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:23 pm**

I seem to recall UHD triple layer max total bitrate to be 144 Mbps so I guess 108 might be the max video bitrate.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:35 pm**

The source I got that from says the max bitrate for triple-layer discs is 128Mbps. It's implied that this is the video bitrate only but I'm not sure. Also have no idea how many triple-layer UHD discs are out there, though I guess there must be some. Have to say I find it strange that your maximum bitrate is determined by the type of disc you're using and I'm curious about the technical reasons behind that.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:07 am**

wattsup32 wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:43 pm I normally order from Zavvi for films outside of the U.S. Are there better options for this particular 4K release for those of us in the U.S. with all-region capabilities?

Zavvi is the best in terms of shipping cost if you are importing from UK.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:33 am**

I just preordered it from diabolikdvd it was 40.99 altogether but I like their general service/speed of handling orders.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:36 pm**

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:The source I got that from says the max bitrate for triple-layer discs is 128Mbps. It's implied that this is the video bitrate only but I'm not sure. Also have no idea how many triple-layer UHD discs are out there, though I guess there must be some. Have to say I find it strange that your maximum bitrate is determined by the type of disc you're using and I'm curious about the technical reasons behind that.

David M would probably be the most suited person to answer things like that, but yes, from the beginning, max date rates for UHD have been said to be dependant of the type of UHD. UHD-50 have a lower max data rate than UHD-66 and UHD-100 have the max possible data rate for UHD. UHD-100 were quite slow to adopt originally because the tech (IIRC) wasn't 100% finalised from a production point of view (and it was expensive as hell). IIRC, Batman v Superman was the very 1st one. Now it has become much more widespread, and many movies that are a bit long or embark extras on the UHD are using UHD-100 discs. Lionsgate have been using some, Warner, Universal, Arrow, Studio Canal, and others too, though I couldn't say in an accurate manner how often they're used.

I'll try to look into the BDA white papers for UHD and see if the specs are more detailed there.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:54 pm**

I feel stupid for having to ask this, but does the 4K UHD edition also include a Blu-ray? Arrow's site says there's only 1 disc in the package, but Zavvi's says 2.

Posted: **Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:48 pm**

Arrow's Facebook announcements of the release imply there is not a Blu-ray disc with the film in the 4K UHD edition. If there is a second disc, maybe it's a Blu-ray for the special features? Amazon UK also says there is only one disc.

Posted: **Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:08 am**

Zavvi is incorrect - the UHD does not come with a Blu-Ray disc, and all the extras are on the same disc as the feature.

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