So many replies, many of them very worthwhile. Sorry in advance that I can't touch upon everything.
Sloper wrote: The performances themselves are not ‘different’ in the straight-to-camera shots, and you can find several examples where, in the wide shots, characters turn their heads to speak in exactly the way you describe. This movement is more noticeable and unnerving in the close-ups because, as you say, it breaks a cinematic ‘rule’ by having the character address the camera.
First, I just want to say that I appreciate your post, and it is very well articulated.
However, on this point I have to disagree. There are "several examples" in the wides where the character turn their heads exactly like the mediums. But that's not enough. There are also several examples where they do not turn their heads like that in the wides. However, they do in 99% of the mediums.
Because the disparity is there between the wides and the mediums (even if it sometimes matches up), I would say that it isn't an issue of stylization vs realism, instead it's an issue of consistency.
Look at the scene where Shukishi sits with Fumiko looking out of the window: they see Tomi out walking with one of the children, and the old man says ‘Look, there they are.’ We see the child and the old woman, from a distance, as they walk in the grass; then we see them up close and realise that the child is not listening to Tomi’s heartbreaking attempts to bond with her grandson, which turn into ruminations on her own imminent death. What looked sweet from a distance looks very different close up; we then see Shukishi again, only now Fumiko has left him and he is alone. Tomi’s lines in this scene are not delivered straight to camera because the child is not looking back at her; he does not even pretend to listen. So these kind of shots tell us something about the communication (or lack thereof) going on between the characters.
No argument here. I was touched by this scene as well.
The artificiality of the straight-to-camera shots often conveys the artificiality, the pretence, in which the more sophisticated adults engage. For instance, when Shige tells her mother she can borrow her sandals, she does one of those ‘turn to the camera’ moves. There is a cut to the mother as she takes the sandals and goes out, then we cut back to Shige, still looking at the door, her impatience more visible now. Immediately afterwards she phones Noriko to get her to take care of the old folks.
Here, I would say that it is the cut that makes the scene work. We see Shige staring out, there's an edit, and then when we come back she is still looking out. Due to the inherent time lapse of an edit, we can imagine her impatience if she is
still looking out towards her mother. Then picking up the phone is the final action that seals the deal.
The "turning and looking" just conveys a formality, which I believe could have been shown more appropriately. It seems like a small detail, but the return to this motif is what makes the performances predictable. And if they are predictable, they are not spontaneous. And if they are not spontaneous, then they are not living in the scene. To me, Ozu is having the edit and the lapse in time create the suspense when it is truly a performance-based moment that could've worked even better.
Noriko turns away as well, turns off the light and goes to bed; her face, lit up in the darkness, is pensive and sad, as it is in the train at the end – both moments when no one is looking at her, and so when she can look the way she feels.
Yes! This is a great moment, but it is one that I believe exhibits the folly of Ozu's chosen stylization. In two moments, Noriko is "pensive and sad," and in the other moments she is "forced and formal." What makes an alive performance is not the oscillation between two extremes. A living, breathing human has shades of grey.
What makes a performance alive is when an actor can convey, not only that they are showing themselves to be polite, but that the
character knows it is merely a show. For Noriko, there are not the shades of grey. There is not a chink in the armor of her civility. We either see her with the armor on or the armor off.
What is exhilarating in a performance is getting that medium-close shot, finally moving in, and seeing the life in the eyes, the subtlety in the face. For Noriko, there is sad and there is the *grin. For Bergman, the face is the most interesting thing in cinema. For Bela Tarr, the face is a landscape. A landscape has many features. An examination of it reveals many things. If Ozu is to convince me that it is worth my time to see the action up close, then I need to see the different forms of the land, not just a plain with the promise of hills in the background.
I'm oversimplifying a great and complex film but this post has to stop... Does this address some of your issues with the film, GI?
I certainly appreciate your position more. And I lean even further towards the character of Noriko being fully intentional in the way it was portrayed, even if I disagree with that method.
Jun-Dai wrote:I only see this as a problem when one looks for realism in Ozu's films, which a lot of people do. But Ozu's films are not very realistic or naturalistic. Intimate, obsessed with mundane details, prosaic, yes, but never very realistic. On the contrary, his films are very stylized, and this very restricted manner of acting that you see so much in Ozu's films—particularly in a film like Tokyo Story, where Ozu's style has reached the height of its refinement—is very much in keeping with his editing style, cinematographic style, dialogue, and even the story itself. Other than in subject matter, Ozu's films are actually about as far removed from naturalistic as you can get. I think the confusion around this comes from the fact that Ozu's films seem to be borne from an attention to detail in the way that people behave and their motivations that exceeds even Neorealist filmmaking, but these details are then brought into intense focus by stripping out everything that doesn't need to be there, including a more realistic acting style.
Thanks for another well-written reply. I would say, though, that it is not the stylization that bothers me. I just believe that the degree of stylization and formality ignores many shades of grey, especially in the case of Noriko. There is either "putting on airs" mode or "revealing emotion" mode. I want to see the cracks in the sidewalk.
Also, the formalism is to such a degree that it forces the performances to be robotic and predictable. As an example, this issue will always be the difference in Shakespeare adaptations to me. Shakespearean dialog and performance will always be stylized. But there is Branagh, who treats the material like words that real humans have spoken, and there is Olivier who treats the material like he's reading poetry and tells Dustin Hoffman to "try acting."
Also, when the actors do break away momentarily from the form of the rest of the film, it brings much more attention to that moment that it would otherwise, creating a very subtle kind of emphasis.
You're contradicting yourself here. If it brings "much more attention," it's not a very subtle kind of emphasis. I agree that it brings this much more attention to the moments of breaking away, and, because of that, it makes the two states of being seem like polar opposites. Black and white performances.
I wouldn't chalk it up to cultural difference as others have, other than the fact that there tends to be a much stronger appreciation for a restrained aesthetic in Japanese art than in Western art (see ikebana, suiseki, rock gardens, haiku, tea ceremony), and that Ozu's style is in keeping with that.
I think you're making an excellent point here. And I do think that non-Western art has more restraint and subtlety. In fact, European screenwriters are known to get to their Act II much later than American screenwriters. Ozu, though, crosses the line from restraint and subtlety to simply obscuring and hiding the inner life of his characters. For me, it's not a rock garden; it's a pet rock.
HerrSchreck wrote:I don't think GIllusion was all that surprised, though his being called an ass is flat out absolutely not right. That's escalation into the personal with insults.
I'm not surprised. And I was way more offended by the fact that ozukarodzi said I didn't back up my personal tastes with any arguments after I posted paragraphs of reasoning for my criticism. If someone wants to call me an ass, whatever, ad hominems speak more about the name-caller than anyone else. Although I do agree that a film forum, which focuses on film
criticism, should probably be less sensitive, let's not make this thread about forum etiquette. I may have a dissenting opinion, but I've done my best to keep this on topic about
Tokyo Story.
By the way, everybody knows
Touch of Evil is better than
Citizen Kane.